Yet another miss rule question

[The Statman]

Nevets, I know that wasn't very funny but I'm afraid I had to laugh when I read it!

A lot of (casual) players seem, when using the Miss rule, to think that because they are using it and calling 'Miss', they have no choice but to replace the balls. It doesn't even cross their minds that they could just play on.

I know that probably wasn't the thought process of the player you are talking about, but it is sort of ingrained in the minds of some people.

[pottingpinks]

Unless its a very high level league, I think its asking for trouble to have the miss rule personally, a fair few casual players and nominated referees probably won't understand how it should work and the number of points that can stand to be gained from failing to escape is too far out of proportion really at a lower level, imo.

[nevets]

Nevets, I know that wasn't very funny but I'm afraid I had to laugh when I read it!

A lot of (casual) players seem, when using the Miss rule, to think that because they are using it and calling 'Miss', they have no choice but to replace the balls. It doesn't even cross their minds that they could just play on.

I know that probably wasn't the thought process of the player you are talking about, but it is sort of ingrained in the minds of some people.

He knew perfectly well. That's the ridiculous thing; players who are not confident of stringing 4 easy pots together are playing the miss rule! There are a few high-standard players in the league for whom the rule is appropriate, but it's a handicapped league with a wide variety of ability.

[DawRef]

Just to add, in one league I used to referee in, the F & M was only called if you could see the ball on. The same league does not even use the '3 miss' and frame lost rule!

[cazmac1]

What I would be looking at is the path and weight of the escape. If I think the line and pace of the shot chosen is such that no matter how many time's he misses he will never leave the ball on I would call a miss every time.

[LittleMissAlexa]

Miss Rule

The miss rule is there to punish a player for taking a harder escape to get it safe to not call a miss it has to be a difficult, he has to hit it hard enough, has to be the easiest route to the object call and has to be close enough in the referees opinion

[Smiffie]

Shirley unless this is a Pro-am or a major club semi final / final and both teams are happy with it, the miss rule shouldnt be part of a "club" game. IMHO.

I havent played competitive snooker for many years and the miss rule wasnt there then, and in my "knock about" at home, we don't use the miss rule.

I can't pot like I used to, mainly because I can't see the end of the table now, but my ball control is still there in my short game and I "could" tie a lesser player up all day, and this is what makes me think that the miss rule should not be used on a club level.

The fact that this guy couldn't hit it shows that the miss rule wasn't appropriate in that match.

Do you get to decide at the beginning of the match if you are going to play the miss rule, or is it expected to be played ?

As it has been said here, it takes the fun out of this game when abused.

[LittleMissAlexa]

Miss Rule

Then how do you police dishonest players who make no attempt to escape a snooker or take a near impossible route to leave the balls safe

[Smiffie]

Unfortunately there are some who are dishonest, I would like to think these players are few in numbers, but I am too long in the tooth to believe that.

The thing about our great game is that it is a gentleman's game and a gentleman would have integrity and therefore they would - call their own fouls - appreciate their opponents game - and........... not cheat.

To deliberately play a foul with the intention of gaining an advantage is cheating, If I were to be playing a game and the other player cheated I would walk away, and I have done. If it were a match with teammates to consider, I would probably step up a notch or two and start to play dirty - legal but dirty.

When the miss rule was first introduced I thought it was paramount to calling the players cheats, and this was because they were suggesting that a player would NOT play the right shot. Unheard of when I was in the war.


We have all seen the white miss the ball on by a gnats cook and a foul called and we have all said " C'mon " !!!!!!!

I don't like the miss rule, but I don't see how they could remove it now.

[LittleMissAlexa]

Missing by a gnats ass

The reason it was brought in was not for cheating it was for players using a more complicated routes and missing and leaving it safe thats not cheating but its also not fair

[LittleMissAlexa]

Continued

The reason its called a miss when it misses by a whisker is because the easiest route is rarely taken by a snooker player genre under the rules it is a missed

[nevets]

At local league level, I like the idea of a player being given the option of having the balls replaced, or penalty points. It would stop people racking up points from one snooker. Only problem is the game could go on forever, so there would have to be a limit to how many times the balls can be replaced.

[jrc750]

We don't play the miss rule in our leagues, if you don't like where the cueball ends up, just stick him back in.
Supposed to be a good night out our leagues, don't want it spoilt by some stupid rule where one good (or lucky) snooker can ruin the whole frame

[Smiffie]

Little miss.

I understand the rules fully, and why. I think you misunderstood me, I didn't say it was there to stop cheating, I said it is paramount to suggesting that a player might cheat, and that in our game that should not happen.

If a policeman stops you in the street and ask you to empty your pockets, he isn't saying that you DO have something you should not, but he is saying you might have. and that is wrong too.

JRC.

Well said mate, I don't think the league games should be subject to the miss rule, the trouble is, if it is in play, then you have to go all the way, if you are going to cap it at 5 or 10 then why have it at all ?

The reason why the pro's have it is because they SHOULD be able to hit it, and if they play it in such a way as to gain an unfair advantage (intentionally or not ) then their opponent should not be penalised.

My views are. I don't like it on TV, and I don't think it should be implemented in the clubs.

[Souwester]

There has been a Miss in the rules for as long as I can remember, but it was WPBSA who started a more stringent application in the mid 90s, and the meaning was crystallised with the publication of the light blue rule book in September 1995.

One of the reasons why WPBSA wanted to tighten up on the rule is that there were a number of professionals who were very adept, when snookered in baulk, at playing off the side cushion, top cushion and missing the pack of reds on the way back to safety in baulk. There is no doubt that some played that shot deliberately. Sadly not all snooker players are 'gentlemen' and I know quite a number who will milk the rules for every possible advantage they can get.