Yet another miss rule question

[magicman]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I find it odd that players can just choose to ignore a rule of the game because they don't like it very much. I don't like the offside rule in football but unfortunately I have to abide by it. I really hate the double fault rule in tennis - why can't we have 3 goes?

What players refuse to or just don't realise, is that, by not playing the miss rule their knowledge of angles/escaping snookers very rarely improves. If they all just bit the bullet, played by the rules of the game, rather than their own special pick and choose set of rules, then their game would improve and a few months later they wouldn't be missing so often.

"I'm not very good so I shouldn't have to play by the rules". How about you play by the rules and see if you get better????

[pottingpinks]

Its not necessarily a definite rule though for lower standard players, as the ref has to judge the players ability as regards getting out of the snooker, which makes it impossible for the referee who doesn't probably know the players involved from opposing teams.
To just continually put it back is clearly wrong as its assuming all players are up to pro standard which is obviously complete nonsense.
And in lower level snooker, one flukey snooker could decide the frame if someone gleaned about 20 or 30 points from it as that would most likely be decisive.

[jrc750]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I find it odd that players can just choose to ignore a rule of the game because they don't like it very much. I don't like the offside rule in football but unfortunately I have to abide by it. I really hate the double fault rule in tennis - why can't we have 3 goes?

What players refuse to or just don't realise, is that, by not playing the miss rule their knowledge of angles/escaping snookers very rarely improves. If they all just bit the bullet, played by the rules of the game, rather than their own special pick and choose set of rules, then their game would improve and a few months later they wouldn't be missing so often.

"I'm not very good so I shouldn't have to play by the rules". How about you play by the rules and see if you get better????

I can say hand on heart that apart from one time (lol) i always do my best, and am pretty good anyway at getting out of snookers, but it is a bit unfair to enforce it so strictly at my (our) level, 50 ish break level, it just ends up in bad feelings etc, and people have there night ruined. There is a "super league" in my area who do play the miss rule, but they are regular century breakers so can deal with it.

[AndrewB]

I'm afraid I've had no joy in trying to improve our league players understanding of the rule. Last week in an away match, my team mate was repeatedly put back in when failing to hit the green, with only the colours remaining, even though he was leaving an easy pot on, and a straight-forward clearance. The opposition player preferred to put him back and keep claiming 4 points until the frame was safe. After he had won he had the cheek to say "It's a terrible rule, isn't it?". It was the most unsporting, cowardly, display I have ever seen.

How is that "players not understanding the rule"? Surely the rule is, if the shot is called a miss (as it must have been here), the player is entitled (if unsporting, if the miss is clearly being called wrongly) to have the balls put back? Or do you mean that another player was refereeing and was applying the rule wrongly?

[DeanH]

How is that "players not understanding the rule"? Surely the rule is, if the shot is called a miss (as it must have been here), the player is entitled (if unsporting, if the miss is clearly being called wrongly) to have the balls put back? Or do you mean that another player was refereeing and was applying the rule wrongly?

I think this is most often the case.
Many players I know do not fully understand the rule, or apply it as it was years ago.
Some of them even do not understand or accept that only one-score (pot or foul) on the black to finish a game, so what chance do they have understanding how to define and correctly call a Miss

[Souwester]

Ca't remember if a link has been posted to this before: http://www.englishsnooker.com/admin/...t_Practice.pdf

There's a lot of useful stuff in that document, but Guidance #8 on page 10 is designed as an indiot's guide to the Foul and a Miss rule. Not entirely sure it's idiot-proof though!