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    I noticed tonight in the Sky shoot out that Peter Ebdon blew the pink ball into the pocket and it dropped in in his match against Martin Gould, and the referee Jan Varhass took the pink out of the pocket and placed it back in it's original position over the pocket, i would have thought the pink ball would have gone back on it's spot because it was forced off the table by Peter Ebdon and Martin Gould should have got 6 points for the foul. I was thinking what would happen if a player forced a red into the pocket by blowing it down or by any other method, would the red be put back over the pocket or would it stay down if neither of these, where would the referee place it on the table, Myself i think the red would stay down because it was forced into a pocket by the player by not using the tip of the cue and thier opponent would get a four point foul

    hope someone can help me with this rule because i have never seen it done before tonight.
    Ronnie O' Sullivan seven times the record breaking Snooker Master

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    Decision

    It was correct it is part of the vibration rule where if a call drops on its own or is blown in it gets put back where it lie
    Goddess Of All Things Cue Sports And Winner Of The 2012 German Masters and World Open Fantasy Games and the overall 2011-12 Fantasy Game

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    • #3
      Predictive text error

      Should of been ball not call
      Goddess Of All Things Cue Sports And Winner Of The 2012 German Masters and World Open Fantasy Games and the overall 2011-12 Fantasy Game

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by Mr Snooker View Post
        I noticed tonight in the Sky shoot out that Peter Ebdon blew the pink ball into the pocket and it dropped in in his match against Martin Gould, and the referee Jan Varhass took the pink out of the pocket and placed it back in it's original position over the pocket, i would have thought the pink ball would have gone back on it's spot because it was forced off the table by Peter Ebdon and Martin Gould should have got 6 points for the foul. I was thinking what would happen if a player forced a red into the pocket by blowing it down or by any other method, would the red be put back over the pocket or would it stay down if neither of these, where would the referee place it on the table, Myself i think the red would stay down because it was forced into a pocket by the player by not using the tip of the cue and thier opponent would get a four point foul

        hope someone can help me with this rule because i have never seen it done before tonight.
        Ebdon ? So now he 'blows' balls instead of wasting time ?

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        • #5
          the frame was over by then, Ebdon had lost and was just being humorous whilst the game clock was counting down which is why Jan Verhaas just laughed and replaced the ball ...

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          • #6
            If it had happened whilst a serious match was in progress, I would have replaced the balls too, and warned the player for ungentlemanly conduct. I'm not sure under what rule I would/could have fouled him.

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
              If it had happened whilst a serious match was in progress, I would have replaced the balls too, and warned the player for ungentlemanly conduct. I'm not sure under what rule I would/could have fouled him.
              I would happily call a foul under the auspices of "touching a ball in play other than the cue-ball with the tip of the cue in the execution of a stroke" in conjunction with good old Section 5 Rule 1 "the referee is free to make a judgement on any situation not adequately covered by rule."

              But yes, in the Shoot-out incident, there was about 10 seconds remaining and Ebdon was behind and it was his opponent's shot - so he was clearly having a bit of fun and I say good on Jan Verhaas for joining in the spirit of that humour in those circumstances.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by The Statman View Post
                I would happily call a foul under the auspices of "touching a ball in play other than the cue-ball with the tip of the cue in the execution of a stroke" in conjunction with good old Section 5 Rule 1 "the referee is free to make a judgement on any situation not adequately covered by rule."

                But yes, in the Shoot-out incident, there was about 10 seconds remaining and Ebdon was behind and it was his opponent's shot - so he was clearly having a bit of fun and I say good on Jan Verhaas for joining in the spirit of that humour in those circumstances.
                But 'touching' implies physical conduct, and that isn't the case, so I maintain that no foul has been committed.

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                • #9
                  Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
                  But 'touching' implies physical conduct, and that isn't the case, so I maintain that no foul has been committed.
                  Hmmm. Yes. But the wording for any other person/agency is "ball moved by other than striker" so I see no reason not to include "causing a ball to move" to come under "touching a ball".

                  If no foul has occurred, would you allow me to score for a red which is not heading towards a pocket, but I blow on it to alter its path so that it does indeed drop?

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                  • #10
                    Being in an earthquake belt we need the vibration rule here.
                    王可

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by The Statman View Post
                      I would happily call a foul under the auspices of "touching a ball in play other than the cue-ball with the tip of the cue in the execution of a stroke" in conjunction with good old Section 5 Rule 1 "the referee is free to make a judgement on any situation not adequately covered by rule."


                      But yes, in the Shoot-out incident, there was about 10 seconds remaining and Ebdon was behind and it was his opponent's shot - so he was clearly having a bit of fun and I say good on Jan Verhaas for joining in the spirit of that humour in those circumstances.
                      i disagree breath isnt part of your anatomy so u havent fouled the ball
                      Goddess Of All Things Cue Sports And Winner Of The 2012 German Masters and World Open Fantasy Games and the overall 2011-12 Fantasy Game

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                      • #12
                        its no different to jumping up and down to cause a vibration there is a rule implace for that for the ball to be layed where it stopped
                        Goddess Of All Things Cue Sports And Winner Of The 2012 German Masters and World Open Fantasy Games and the overall 2011-12 Fantasy Game

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                        • #13
                          Originally Posted by The Statman View Post
                          If no foul has occurred, would you allow me to score for a red which is not heading towards a pocket, but I blow on it to alter its path so that it does indeed drop?
                          NO, as I said in a previous post I'd replace any balls which the blowing caused to move, and warn you for ungentlemanly conduct.

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                          • #14
                            Originally Posted by LittleMissAlexa View Post
                            its no different to jumping up and down to cause a vibration there is a rule implace for that for the ball to be layed where it stopped
                            If a ball stopped right on the edge of a pocket, and then the player jumped up and down to cause vibration which meant that the ball then dropped, again no foul has been committed. As in last post I'd replace the ball and warn the player for ungentlemanly conduct.

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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
                              NO, as I said in a previous post I'd replace any balls which the blowing caused to move, and warn you for ungentlemanly conduct.
                              U cant replace that, it changes all frame, thats stupid
                              Statman is right.
                              2007 TSF Pot Black prediction contest winner
                              2010 TSF Welsh Open Predict the qualifiers winner

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