Question

[hotpot]

Player on a yellow and has a free ball , nominates black . He snookers his oppnent behind the blue and the black is directly behind it so if the blue was removed he would be snookered on the black . My question is , is it a foul or a fair shot .

[Souwester]

Fair shot. The effective snookering ball is the one closest to the cue ball.

[jim evans]

fair shot we had a similar question last wk

[Souwester]

And one the week before...

[The Statman]

And one the week before...

Ah but this is the one that counts.

The effective snookering post is the one closest to the top of the page.

[hotpot]

Thanks guys

[Souwester]

Ah but this is the one that counts.

The effective snookering post is the one closest to the top of the page.

Haha, nice one!

[Particle Physics]

Player on a yellow and has a free ball , nominates black . He snookers his oppnent behind the blue and the black is directly behind it so if the blue was removed he would be snookered on the black . My question is , is it a foul or a fair shot .

Why wouldn't it be a fair shot?

[Souwester]

Because you cannot snooker behind a free ball (whether intentionally or by accident) unless only pink and black remain on the table.

[hotpot]

Player on a yellow and has a free ball , nominates black . He snookers his oppnent behind the blue and the black is directly behind it so if the blue was removed he would be snookered on the black . My question is , is it a foul or a fair shot .

Slightly different scenario , What if it was only a half ball snooker on the blue but full ball on the black . Would it still be a fair shot .

[DeanH]

I think only the first ball in the direct line between the cueball and the object ball is considered the snookering ball, you do not then start theorising the "what if the blue ball is removed what about the black".

[Souwester]

Slightly different scenario , What if it was only a half ball snooker on the blue but full ball on the black . Would it still be a fair shot .

Take a look at the actual definition of a snooker:

17. Snookered
The cue-ball is said to be snookered when a direct stroke in a straight line to every ball on is wholly or partially obstructed by a ball or balls not on. If one or more balls on can be struck at both extreme edges free of obstruction by any ball not on, the cue-ball is not snookered.
(a) If in-hand, the cue-ball is snookered if it is obstructed as described above from all possible positions on or within the lines of the “D”.
(b) If the cue-ball is so obstructed from hitting a ball on by more than one ball not on:
(i) the ball nearest to the cue-ball is considered to be the effective snookering ball; and
(ii) should more than one obstructing ball be equidistant from the cue-ball, all such balls will be considered to be effective snookering balls.
(c) When Red is the ball on, if the cue-ball is obstructed from hitting different Reds by different balls not on, there is no effective snookering ball.
(d) The striker is said to be snookered when the cue-ball is snookered as above.
(e) The cue-ball cannot be snookered by a cushion. If the curved face of a cushion obstructs the cue-ball and is closer to the cue-ball than any obstructing ball not on, the cue-ball is not snookered.

A snooker is when you cannot hit both extreme edges of any ball on. Therefore, reference to a 'partial snooker' is irrelevant.

[coomsey76]

True.....

But if it was only a half ball snooker on the yellow by the blue, therefore if the black wasn't there you'd be able to hit the yellow half ball so the black would become the snookering ball as well.... wouldn't it??

Edit: Just seen your post Souwester, it all becomes clear.....

(i) the ball nearest to the cue-ball is considered to be the effective snookering ball;

[bellamy]

If the ball on can't be hit on both sides by an object ball, then that would be deemed to be the effecting snookering ball

[bellamy]

BLUE would still be the efective snookering ball.