Rules question

[Souwester]

Only you Statman, only you!

[DeanH]

LOL Fantastic!

[mythman69]

I now understand the rules much better - thanks Statman !!

No wonder those referees wear gloves . . .

[jimhassel]

You pot the black, that’s the end of the frame. Or a foul on the black leads to the same.. There are exceptions to this, like if that leads to leveling of the scores. The black is re-spotted if this happens..

[Chris Bedford]

Rules question

Thanks Statman you may have saved my game! Il tell her to stop it! Lol hahahaha!!! Actually on a serious note the end rule you mentioned is very handy to know as a couple if players I play with always impede my progress when they miss. From laying on the table after the shot they just missed, hanging on the side of the table while your playing your shot and chucking thier cue on the floor! Must admit I do withdrawal quite quickly (snooker that is) lol

[Scott777]

I also need clarity on this.

I was playing today and with the scores level in the frame and only the black remaining, I potted the black and the white went in off. What happens? Is it four points to my opponent and re-spot?

Apologies for my ignorance!!!

[Souwester]

No, first legal pot or foul on the black ends the game, UNLESS adding the seven points scored or SEVEN points penalty THEN makes the frame scores level, in which case the black would be respotted, the players would toss to see who has choice of playing first, and the cue ball is played from in hand.

[Scott777]

Thanks, so in that instance is my opponent awarded seven points and therefore wins the frame? The black is not re-spotted?

[Souwester]

Thanks, so in that instance is my opponent awarded seven points and therefore wins the frame? The black is not re-spotted?

Correct....

[Scott777]

Thanks for the help, i'll now have to confess to losing that frame...........bugger!!!!!

[herbie]

But it is good that you know now. Next time you'll take care about the white ball. Remember: It is always better to fluke the final black than to play a foul shot.

[Souwester]

I also need clarity on this.

I was playing today and with the scores level in the frame and only the black remaining, I potted the black and the white went in off. What happens? Is it four points to my opponent and re-spot?

Apologies for my ignorance!!!

Going back to this question... if you think about it, if you gave penalty points to Player A and then respotted the back, what happens if Player B then pots the black, and scores are level? The game could go on forever, which is why the first legal pot or foul when only black remains is end of game UNLESS that then makes the scores level. You can only have one respotted black in any one frame.

[tommygunner1309]

Going back to this question... if you think about it, if you gave penalty points to Player A and then respotted the back, what happens if Player B then pots the black, and scores are level? The game could go on forever, which is why the first legal pot or foul when only black remains is end of game UNLESS that then makes the scores level. You can only have one respotted black in any one frame.

Not quite sure I am reading this right Souwester!!! if you foul on the black when it is the last ball on the table, and it brings your scores level, then the first pot or foul on the respotted black ends the frame. If you foul the black when it is the last ball on the table and your opponent goes 7 points ahead, he wins the frame. ie you would never respot the black if the scores were not level!!!! Just wondered if I was reading your statement right. As I am taking my refs exam in Nov, I would be grateful if I am missing something that you can see.
Cheers

[DeanH]

...if you foul on the black when it is the last ball on the table, and it brings your scores level, then the first pot or foul on the respotted black ends the frame.

Correct, dont forget the scenario, if you pot the black when it is the last ball on the table, and it brings the scores level, then the first pot or foul on the respotted black ends the frame.

If you foul the black when it is the last ball on the table and your opponent goes 7 points ahead, he wins the frame.

Correct, 1 or more points ahead., he wins.

ie you would never respot the black if the scores were not level!!!!

Correct

Just wondered if I was reading your statement right.

Yes you are

As I am taking my refs exam in Nov, I would be grateful if I am missing something that you can see.

Nope not missed anything with these scenarios, best of luck with the exams.

[Souwester]

Not quite sure I am reading this right Souwester!!! if you foul on the black when it is the last ball on the table, and it brings your scores level, then the first pot or foul on the respotted black ends the frame. If you foul the black when it is the last ball on the table and your opponent goes 7 points ahead, he wins the frame. ie you would never respot the black if the scores were not level!!!! Just wondered if I was reading your statement right. As I am taking my refs exam in Nov, I would be grateful if I am missing something that you can see.
Cheers

I was trying to illustrate that unless the first pot or foul ends the frame, then the frame could go on forever (because of Scott777 suggesting that having had level scores, a foul on the black might be a respot). Maybe my wording confused things!