Another video for the forum refs

[Billy]

Here's another video with an incident I'd like the forum refs' view on.

To save you time, Ronnie had snookered himself on the black. He's touching the red and nominates the green (on which he's snookered by other reds). He misses six times on the trot and Jan calls the miss and replaces the white at Higgin's request each time. On Ronnie's seventh attempt this happens. Fast forward to 5:20 to see the confusion unfold.

[brydon10]

Maybe this clears it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6JFuT9PWk
I remember seeing this and wondering also what was going on.

[Billy]

Nice find, brydon! It's a weird one, but Yan was correct... eventually.

[mooneyy]

Section 3, Rule 14. Foul and Miss was changed in 2011 after this incident in 2009.

Have a look at this: http://www.prosnookerblog.com/2011/0...ee-andy-yates/

In this case Jan was right not to call a miss, because a stroke had not been played. Under the new rule it still wouldn't be a miss, but the offender can be put back in on a colour:

(d) After the cue-ball has been replaced under this Rule, and the striker fouls any ball, including the cue-ball while preparing to play a stroke, a miss will not be called if a stroke has not been played. In this case the appropriate penalty will be imposed and the ball on shall be the same as prior to the last stroke made, namely:
(i) any Red, where Red was the ball on;
(ii) the colour on, where all Reds were off the table; or
(iii) a colour of the striker’s choice, where the ball on was a colour after a Red had been potted;
and
(iv) the next player may elect to play the stroke himself or ask the offender to play again from the position left; or
(v) the next player may ask the referee to replace all balls moved to their original position and have the offender play again from there; and
(vi) if the above situation arises during a sequence of miss calls, any warning concerning the possible awarding of the frame to his opponent shall remain in effect.

[Billy]

Thanks, mooneyy. Can't argue that this was the logical 'tweak' to make to the miss rule, but two years to get it in place?

[mooneyy]

Well, I've seen an interview with Steve Davis after the incident. He said that it's probably going to take some time to introduce the new rule, because they have to find the correct wording. Not only did they have to make it unambiguous, but also understandable for refs and players of all nationalities...

At least that's what I remember from the interview. You should be able to find it on youtube.