foul or not

[magicman]

Not sure if I understand this here correctly (no offence at all, I'm just staggered):

How many players don't know or fully understand snookers? It's the name of the game after all...

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This post is from an England player whose had several maximum breaks, so it just goes to show how confusing the rules can get!

[DeanH]

Well, if you pot the nominated ball, you are not snookering your opponent behind the nominated ball because it will not be your opponent's shot!

that as well

[MasterBreak147]

This post is from an England player whose had several maximum breaks, so it just goes to show how confusing the rules can get!

Yes mate the rules are very upsy daisy to a lot of people glad I just play lol

[Borodaz]

Somebody said at the beginning of the thread that he should have nominated a lower coloured ball , surely that would not be possible as the White is touching the black, so all he could do was nominate black and roll away ?

[DeanH]

Somebody said at the beginning of the thread that he should have nominated a lower coloured ball , surely that would not be possible as the White is touching the black, so all he could do was nominate black and roll away ?

No, the player could have nominated any other colour, he then has to hit that ball first.
The touching ball situation means that if he nominates Black (as he did) it is deemed that he has already hit the black and he does not have to hit it again - i.e. just to play away.
If another ball was nominated, the touch is not deemed to have "hit" the Black, but as usual the ball being touched must not be moved by the action of the Cue Ball.

[Borodaz]

Ah right thanks for clearing that up for me

[Snooky335]

If the player had nominated the black and played away off one or two cushions and tucked up behind one of the baulk colours, would that have been okay?

Interesting debate this. I used to know all the rules when I played as a teenager and it is amazing what I have forgotten in the intervening 20 years!!!

[DeanH]

If the player had nominated the black and played away off one or two cushions and tucked up behind one of the baulk colours, would that have been okay?

Interesting debate this. I used to know all the rules when I played as a teenager and it is amazing what I have forgotten in the intervening 20 years!!!

that would have been ok, as the nearest ball to the cue ball in the direct straight line to the ball on is the effective snookering ball, so if it is not the nominated Free Ball then no foul.

[tommygunner1309]

I noticed earlier on in the thread the confusion about whether a ball is snookered or not after a foul. The rule, in laymans terms is quite simple. If, after your opponent has fouled, you cannot hit both EXTREME edges of the ball on, or any other ball on, then it is a free ball. Referees use a ball marker or sometimes a ball from the rack to check if it is in the balance. Another situation after a foul is this one. Player a plays and hits the last remaining red. The red rolls down the table and stops behind the blue ball - full ball looking in a line from the Brown spot. The white continues its journey and rolls into the yellow pocket. Foul four away, and white in hand - and a free ball. Some people think that because you can hit the red from the yellow spot on one side, and you can hit the red from the green spot on the opposite side, that it is not a free ball. Wrong. You must be able to hit the red on both sides - FROM ONE POSITION in the D.
Having said all that, playing in the league a couple of weeks ago, one of the other teams captains playing on another table asked me for a ruling. One remaining red to the left of the black spot. His opponent played, missed the red and the cue ball came down to the baulk cushion, bounced and flicked the yellow, and the white made its way to the centre pocket and settled on the edge of the top jaw of the middle pocket. He was angled on the red, and he asked if it was a snooker. It wasn't - as you cannot be snookered by a jaw. He asked what his options were. It was a bit obvious really - I just said take your four for the foul and put him in again!!
I still think they were mulling over that situation at the end of the match. Like they say - its a funny old game

[MasterBreak147]

after your opponent has fouled, you cannot hit both EXTREME edges of the ball on, or any other ball on, then it is a free ball

Hi tommygunner thanks for your reply and if i may just ask you please, as read above the post are swinging to the foul just as i thought at first when asked, but what i what I cant seem to grasp is that the shot previous wasn't a foul so the "hit both extreme edges" doesn't just apply to after a foul....am i correct ?

I still believe its a foul but i really do get there beef lol cos i can't grasp it myself those rules are very confusing and all over shop.

many thanks

[DeanH]

Hitting both extremes relates to whether there is a snooker.
If there is after a foul and there is a snooker, then a free ball is offered to the non-offending player.

[TheRowdyOne]

Im not fully clued up with all the rules of the game but a question was fired at me and i wasn't sure of the correct answer so can anyone here confirm this please
Ill try my best to explain

black on spot red touching black behind the black spot, white directly in front of the black touching the black...player A is at the table and has a free ball.

Player A whos at the table nominates black as its touching at fires away (plays a bad shot as such) and when player B comes to table he can see a quarter ball of the red...so effectively hes not snookered full ball

Answer1, Its a foul because he cannot hit both sides of the red as he is partly snookered behind Nominated ball ? foul 4 to player B
Answer2, Not a foul because he can see the red period ?

thanks all

I am very poor on the rules of snooker but here's my opinion.
I would assume it's Answer 2. Player a nominated the black as the free ball, as it was touching the black all player had to do was shoot away from the black. No foul committed player B's turn.

Answer1, Its a foul because he cannot hit both sides of the red as he is partly snookered behind Nominated ball ?

This question is deceiving if not read right. just because player B can not hit both sides means player A has fouled. I think you mean it's a 'foul snooker' which is incorrect as player A didn't foul seeing as they played away from a touching ball.

Then again like I said i'm not 100% up to scratch on all of the rules.

[SouthPaw]

I am very poor on the rules of snooker but here's my opinion.
I would assume it's Answer 2. Player a nominated the black as the free ball, as it was touching the black all player had to do was shoot away from the black. No foul committed player B's turn.



This question is deceiving if not read right. just because player B can not hit both sides means player A has fouled. I think you mean it's a 'foul snooker' which is incorrect as player A didn't foul seeing as they played away from a touching ball.

Then again like I said i'm not 100% up to scratch on all of the rules.

Out of interest did you read the replies? I'm quite surprised some people don't know they're not allowed to snooker behind nominated free ball!

[DeanH]

It is NOT a foul to not being able to hit both extremes of a ball, this defines a SNOOKER - that is all.
The scenario is that he player is snookered behind the nominated Free Ball - THAT IS THE FOUL.
Playing the away from the touching Black is not a foul but the subsequent position of the Cue Ball where the Black was the effective snookering ball, that is the foul - (repeat) being snookered by the nominated Free Ball.

[tommygunner1309]

Hi tommygunner thanks for your reply and if i may just ask you please, as read above the post are swinging to the foul just as i thought at first when asked, but what i what I cant seem to grasp is that the shot previous wasn't a foul so the "hit both extreme edges" doesn't just apply to after a foul....am i correct ?

I still believe its a foul but i really do get there beef


lol cos i can't grasp it myself those rules are very confusing and all over shop.

many thanks

Hi Masterbreak147. Not quite sure if I have your post right. If a foul is committed then the free ball comes into play as above. If no foul has been committed then there is no free ball, is that what you meant?