Another Foul/Miss question.

[wayne]

Hi
I haven't come across this scenario before......

Player A pots a red, then snookers himself on all colours.
Opts for black and misses twice, being called for a foul and miss both times and being replaced and asked to play again.
He then hits it on 3rd attempt and pots it.
Does the break then continue, as if no foul/misses were called?
I would have thought it does.

Cheers

[DeanH]

The break stopped at the first foul, as the Turn goes to the non-offending player.
The call would be "Foul and a Miss, Player A [break], Player B 7"

[wayne]

Ok, so Player B ends up with being awarded (say) 14 pts due to misses.
The black is hit on 3rd attempt. Black is respotted. Player B then plays, with red being the ball 'on'.

So, what happens when the reverse (so to speak) occurs.
Player A sinks a colour and then snookers himself on a red. He attempts a red twice (say), foul and miss twice, hits and pots it on 3rd attempt. Does he then disregard that red (no score) and Player B takes his turn (at a red) or, player A then goes for a colour seeing as he just sank a red.
I would think Player A continues.
But it seems contradictory to me.

[Gerry Armstrong]

No, you've got that wrong. In the first scenario, Player A plays on as he was the one who potted the black and his break is 7 points as he's just potted the black and the ball on is a red unless there are no reds left on the table.

When it's a red, same scenario. Player A is now on a break of 1 and the ball on is a colour.

[Terry Davidson]

You have to regard a 'miss' as a complete new start so when the black was potted that would be the start of a new break, the same as the red.

Terry

[wayne]

Terry, yes, a complete new start regarding the 'break' tally, but the order of play remains the same, player A continues.
Gerry, yes, that's what i said in the 1st post.
So player A starts his 'new' break at 7 (in the 1st scenario).
Effectively, all Player B did was interrupt the 'break', gain 14 pts and then Player A starts a new 'break' with 7 pts.
One of those rare occurrences.
cheers