Refereeing question

[neptar]

It is amazing how many players forget the basics when it comes to coceding (maybe they need to remind the players at the next Players conference ):
1) A Player can only concede during their turn, when they are the Striker.
2) A Player can only concede when snookers are required.

Regarding number 2. I can concede whenever I like quite easily. I can walk away from the table and go home. Is not in the spirit of the game but its true

[SnkrRef]

Regarding number 2. I can concede whenever I like quite easily. I can walk away from the table and go home. Is not in the spirit of the game but its true

Yes, but if you did that at a WS event you'd be fined and reprimanded.

[DeanH]

neptar, this is of course very true, but I was taking for granted that the players were within the spirit of the game and playing with gentlemanly conduct

Cannot remember but how much was ROS fined after he conceded the frame and match to Hendry that time?

[Bigmeek]

As there is no risk of potentially gaining an advantage by disturbing the striker's concentration in the middle of a break in this case, I think the most sensible interpretation would be to treat this as "ball moved by other than striker", replace the balls without penalty, and allow play to continue on the respotted black.

Don't agree. If a player who is the non striker comes to the table and starts messing with the balls in the pockets then this would most certainly break the strikers concentration. PS don't think a re-spotted black comes into it in this post.

[Bigmeek]

Regarding number 2. I can concede whenever I like quite easily. I can walk away from the table and go home. Is not in the spirit of the game but its true

I think in a normal club game it's ok to concede whenever you like but once you move on to the serious stuff then the rules are clear.

[SnkrRef]

Don't agree. If a player who is the non striker comes to the table and starts messing with the balls in the pockets then this would most certainly break the strikers concentration. PS don't think a re-spotted black comes into it in this post.

I think you misread the post you quoted. He is referring to my scenario with the level scores. At that point there is NO striker, and no break to disturb.

[Bigmeek]

I think you misread the post you quoted. He is referring to my scenario with the level scores. At that point there is NO striker, and no break to disturb.

Thanks. Just read your post. Another interesting situation!

[t.lavery55]

While on the subject of conceding, here is another scenario to think about. Player A is attempting to make his first 147, but he misses the black off the 15th red, ending the break on 113. In frustration, he storms straight out of the arena, naturally assuming that player B will concede. However, player B decides to carry on to gain some potting practice on the colours. With player A having left the arena, is he therefore deemed to have conceded, despite his huge lead?

You can, of course, leave the arena in the middle of a frame sometimes, but only with the referee's permission.

[SnkrRef]

It's highly unusual for a player to leave the arena mid-frame.

If I was refereeing, I think I'd officially warn the player that he shouldn't do that again. It certainly wasn't his intention to concede the frame but he wasn't in a position to claim it either as there were still balls on the table.

[DandyA]

Cannot remember but how much was ROS fined after he conceded the frame and match to Hendry that time?

I don't remember the fine in that case but I think these days a playing conceding a frame unless snookers are required is an automatic 250 GBP fine ... happens quite often, indeed Selby will get one for conceding a frame in the Rotterdam final when he was 67 points behind with 67 on the table (IIRC) with a red over the pocket and Williams on strike ...

Jan Verhaas warned him to which Selby replied, in his normal relaxed style, "OK" ...

[DeanH]

Wikipedia has the ROS fine as £20,800 and docked 900 points.