is snooker dying out in uk?

[ADR147]

i didn't think this post was gonna be that easy to reply to, but mg simply sailed right over it.

yep he spoiled my finish.

Matt, brilliant suggestion. I remember looking 'over' a club in Los Angeles that had 18 to 20 tables. As a business it was very busy and successful. It was really basic like four walls and the tables. Every player in that club was young. They did serve sandwiches and hot food. Low overheads as run by two people only?

Thanks! I'm not really a buisiness minded person otherwise i would love to open a club like this, maybe some time in the future.

Matt, I believe if we ignore negative whining characters, and there will be plenty of. You know the types, we see them around us, including in clubs.
Everyone knows we have a crisis in our hands. Action is required. Its not going to be easy. If one person does this club thing and draws in the youngsters, it should not be difficult to replicate the formula across the country? Perhaps a few 5 by 10 tables with others regular size? I know I would have loved an opportunity like that. Perhaps if someone like you went with a proposal to the Sports Commission and asked for some funding from the lottery sports fund?

This is where the negative complainers chime in and rubbish the idea.......

[vmax4steve]

well maybe Barry is to blame a bit - Whats the top prize for the World Championship?

Does Rooney not earn that in a week? They should really be picking up a million for wining that by now.

The exchequer gets more than half of it but that's an aside really, it's not about money at grass roots level, it's about participation at something that's enjoyable, something that you're good at.
Even football is failing at grass roots level in the UK, 90% of the top players are from abroad and the england, scotland, welsh and irish national sides have done sod all since 1966.
The education system has an awful lot to do with that with the emphasis on academic achievement and a competition between the politiical parties as to which one is best serving the educational needs of our children. This has led to no child being left out of the academic field and grades of below A in tests that have become easier and easier over the past thirty years being allowed to gain university places.
This has led to those of average intelligence bypassing industry and sport altogether and doing meaningless subjects in university and going straight to call centres and public service jobs that give no satisfaction at all.

What we are left with are the really stupid finding no work at all, those of average intelligence doing jobs that the below average intelligent should be doing and eastern europeans getting all the low paid menial work that the really stupid should be doing because the really stupid now believe that they are cleverer than they actually are (because a C+ is a pass) and that what the eastern europeans are doing for minimum wage (which is five times what they would earn in their own country) is beneath them.

In a nutshell the heirarchy of the working classes have been destroyed by the meddling of politicians seeking re-election and lying about the standards of education.
I have lost count of the number of university graduates that I have worked with who cannot do simple maths without the aid of a calculator, read a tape measure or spirit level, have poor spelling, terrible grammar and look up everything they need to know on the internet. And somehow these simpletons manage to get on POINTLESS every day where they can show their distinct lack of knowledge about everything to the whole country.

When I was at school you had to be brilliant to get to university if you didn't have rich parents that could send you to public school and keep the old boys network going.

Now there are a lot of young people out of work in this country who need something to do during the day other than knocking up more kids or taking drugs or getting hammered on White Lightening. You would think that a snooker club would provide an avenue of escape from this dead end lifestyle for those with a natural sporting talent who have been overlooked by the educational system and a club should be able to attract such a clientele during the day for rates of £1 per hour when things are quiet just to keep it ticking over.

I fear that the fact that most of the young dissaffected people today were raised without discipline and couldn't be trusted in such an environment to even look after the tables and balls etc, without said club also dissolving into a den of crime and drug taking, especially with the police of this country now not seeming to give a damn about any crime that is outside the public interest and needs some real on the ground detective work other than looking at CCTV footage.

'Here's a crime number mate, call us if you see anyone riding your stolen motorbike and we'll see if there's an officer free' knowing full well that said bike was taken by a gang, has already been dismantled and the parts listed on ebay already and if they don't look into it it doesn't count as unsolved against their statistics.
Meanwhile at Ilfracombe bike show last week two coppers were taking photos of all bikes that had small number plates.
Ring any bells ?

Everythings gone in the UK not just snooker.

[j6uk]

Forget the world champs forget the pro game we are talking about grass roots snooker the numbers we need are not gonna come from wannabees snooker needs more casual players

who can afford the rates and the property big enough to put in say even four tables and a few pool tables and so on? The wannabees will be wanting/needing a top table to play on, if they're looking to compete..
its not gonna happen.

[matt926_uk]

Matt, brilliant suggestion. I remember looking 'over' a club in Los Angeles that had 18 to 20 tables. As a business it was very busy and successful. It was really basic like four walls and the tables. Every player in that club was young. They did serve sandwiches and hot food. Low overheads as run by two people only?

Thanks! I'm not really a buisiness minded person otherwise i would love to open a club like this, maybe some time in the future.

[golferson123]

well maybe Barry is to blame a bit - Whats the top prize for the World Championship?

Does Rooney not earn that in a week? They should really be picking up a million for wining that by now.

Forget the world champs forget the pro game we are talking about grass roots snooker the numbers we need are not gonna come from wannabees snooker needs more casual players

[Byrom]

well maybe Barry is to blame a bit - Whats the top prize for the World Championship?

Does Rooney not earn that in a week? They should really be picking up a million for wining that by now.

[JFoulger]

The problem is there isn't the same interest amongst youngsters in the UK. This is purely from what I've witnessed in my club but 10 years ago when I was young there would be 10-15 kids at training whereas now there are only 2 that come to training that are below 16 years old. I'm guessing this is similar across the country.

[j6uk]

i didn't think this post was gonna be that easy to reply to, but mg simply sailed right over it.

just do the right thing and don't pull out as we've been taught from the porn movies. try and drop as many as your sack allows

[mg222]

Would a well run club where there was no bar and people under 18 welcome be successfull?, i'm not sure, many pros and cons

Matt, brilliant suggestion. I remember looking 'over' a club in Los Angeles that had 18 to 20 tables. As a business it was very busy and successful. It was really basic like four walls and the tables. Every player in that club was young. They did serve sandwiches and hot food. Low overheads as run by two people only?

[j6uk]

just do the right thing and don't pull out as we've been taught from the porn movies. try and drop as many as your sack allows

[itsnoteasy]

unfortunately the british isles are yesterdays world and all the cameras and violations are simply taming the shrew

I fear you are right J6. I hope snooker doesn't completely leave our shores but the tourneys will go where the money and sponsorship is, it's the way of the world.

[mg222]

TATA Jaguar Land Rover are doing so well, breaking all kinds records under TATA.
Maybe their management can be asked to assist with revival of UK snooker...

[j6uk]

unfortunately the british isles are yesterdays world and all the cameras and violations are simply taming the shrew

[mg222]

I just realised a sad fact that Snooker might be the only [or one of minute few] serious vocation / enterprise that we are the best at today....