White picked up by mistake

[57varieties]

Player 1 fouls by knocking a red completely off the table. Player 2 by mistake picks up the cue ball which hadn't left the table and puts it in hand.
Before player 2 takes his shot, the problem is noticed and the cue ball remains where player 2 put it.
What does player 1 do with the cue ball when he returns to the table for his shot.

[sberry]

he should leave it where it is and go to a snooker hall to play a proper game

[timcunnell]

I'm assuming we are talking snooker here?
My understanding is that the guy who picked the white up has illegally handled the ball. This is foul and 4 points to player 1, who may now place the white in the D.

[Bigmeek]

Yes, white "forced off the table". Four away and play from the D. Happened to me once! Bit of a bummer if you're then faced with a more difficult shot!
Player 1 deemed to have "ball in hand".

[sberry]

scrap that, why are they picking the white ball up anyway, what's going on, I stick with my first answer

[57varieties]

He never concentrates when hes not at the table.
Thanks timcunnell, yes it is snooker and to answer Bigmeek its the red off the table the white never left the table till the player picked it up by mistake

[cyberheater]

He never concentrates when hes not at the table.
Thanks timcunnell, yes it is snooker and to answer Bigmeek its the red off the table the white never left the table till the player picked it up by mistake

Very annoying playing folks like that. I wouldn't play him.

[timcunnell]

This is a similar-ISH situation.
Dott knows the white is heading for the corner pocket, and blocks the white from going in. No intention on his part to do anything untoward - but a daft thing to do really! Anyway - the point being, Selby incorrectly picks the white up (incorrectly in the opinion of the ref, anyway!), and the ref calls a foul, and Dott has ball in hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1sDiLapr0g

[Bigmeek]

He never concentrates when hes not at the table.
Thanks timcunnell, yes it is snooker and to answer Bigmeek its the red off the table the white never left the table till the player picked it up by mistake

Yes I understood. Because the White was picked up it is deemed to have been "forced off the table". Seem to remember it happened a few years ago at the Crucible. Match was Selby V Dott and ref was Alan Chamberlain. Was a bit of confusion and controversy at the time if my memory is correct.

[timcunnell]

Seem to remember it happened a few years ago at the Crucible. Match was Selby V Dott and ref was John Street. Was a bit of confusion and controversy at the time if my memory is correct.

See my post above Great minds and all that!

I'd be really interested to see how a modern ref (Paul Collier prob a good example) would react in the Dott/Selby situation. I don't think the ref got it right. Should at least have warned Dott, or told Selby he couldn't pick the white up, rather than wait for him to do so.

[cyberheater]

See my post above Great minds and all that!

I'd be really interested to see how a modern ref (Paul Collier prob a good example) would react in the Dott/Selby situation. I don't think the ref got it right. Should at least have warned Dott, or told Selby he couldn't pick the white up, rather than wait for him to do so.

Or Dott could have just potting the white straight into a pocket. Balance would have been restored.

[Bigmeek]

See my post above Great minds and all that!
I'd be really interested to see how a modern ref (Paul Collier prob a good example) would react in the Dott/Selby situation. I don't think the ref got it right. Should at least have warned Dott, or told Selby he couldn't pick the white up, rather than wait for him to do so.

Yeah, I seem to remember the ref came in for a bit of stick for his handling of the situation. Got debated on the Forum at the time with various opinions.
PS. Thanks for the You Tube. My memory has failed me lol. Ref Was Alan Chamberlain. Apologies to John Street.

[Ricky2112]

Or Dott could have just potting the white straight into a pocket. Balance would have been restored.

Yes I agree with this, crowd would have loved to see that I think, but the ref might have made Dot lose the frame for a deliberate foul lol

Cheers Ricky

[DeanH]

White picked up by mistake

there is another pro ref mistake very similar to the OP where a player fouls and Michaela Tabb calls a foul and straight away picks up the white which hadn't dropped. After an amusing moment, she replaces the white where it was and play continues. The clip is on youtube

[57varieties]

I saw both of those incidents, but I thought because in my case the player picked the ball and put it in hand it should stay there. Thanks for the replies anyway, I appreciate it