foul situations..what,how & foulpoints

[casualties]

Ok, i'm still quite new to snooker and there are a few things that i really can't make out when reading the rules of snooker..I'll sketch a few situations. Hopefully you'll take this serious, don't laugh too hard about it, so i can learn some new things That's the main reason why i am here!

situation1
I start to play, pot a red and now aiming for the pink..I hit the pink, i miss and the cueball comes back and pots a red instead. Who gets points, and how many?

situation2
all reds are potted and we're down to potting the color ones. Green & brown had just been potted by me and now the blue. I pot it but also the cueball goes in a pocket.. How many points i get? the points from green/brown..and how many my partner gets?? Does he get 4 points (standard foul) or 5 points (foulpoints assigned to value of the blue) ?

Oh and do you respot the blue after this situation??

situation3
You can pot a red by passing another red (eg: cueball -> red1 --> red 2 gets potted).. Can you do the same with the color ones? I am quite sure not but why just not ask and become 100% sure about it.

situation4
all reds are potted..Now it's the color ones still..all colors till pink are potted.. Pink needs to be hit really light (wrong term but i guess you know what i mean) and it's missed..Does this gets my partner 6 points (foulpoints compared to value of the pink)?

situation5
the cue hits another ball then cueball while aiming. How many points..points are dealt considering the value of the ball??? or it's like reds are just 4 points, but what about touching colored ones? pink cost you 6 points then??

Sorry for these noobish questions but i'm looking forward to some nice replies.


Greetings.

[Sam_92]

1) You score one and your opponent gets 6 because you were playing the pink

2) You get 7 for the green and brown and your opponent gets 5 and the blue is re spotted.

3) No you cannot do this. You can only pot the colour ball that you nominate. But you must hit the nominated ball first.

4) Your opponent gets 6.

5) It is the value of the colour your cue hits.

Hope this gives you an idea of the answers someone else may be able to write more detailed answers.

Good luck with playing the game!!

[dantuck_7]

I agree with the points above. I have a couple of situations from when I was playing today. I really ought to know this - but want to check....


Attempted pot on yellow. The cue-ball goes in-off and about 2 seconds later the yellow hits the black which drops in?!

Is this a foul of 4 or 7 points?

Similar to situation 5 - Whilst cueing at a red - the pink is moved. Player misses red and hits the black. Is this a foul of 6 or 7??

Thanks Dan.

I reckon 7 & 7?!

[davis_greatest]

I agree with the points above. I have a couple of situations from when I was playing today. I really ought to know this - but want to check....


Attempted pot on yellow. The cue-ball goes in-off and about 2 seconds later the yellow hits the black which drops in?!

Is this a foul of 4 or 7 points?

Similar to situation 5 - Whilst cueing at a red - the pink is moved. Player misses red and hits the black. Is this a foul of 6 or 7??

Thanks Dan.

I reckon 7 & 7?!

First one: foul of 7

Second one: I assume you mean pink is moved not by the white but by the player's cue / person etc? In which case, also foul of 7.

[elvaago]

I would say if a player is cueing up and nudges the pink, the foul is called then and would be 6, not giving the chance to play the shot and commit another foul.

[davis_greatest]

I would say if a player is cueing up and nudges the pink, the foul is called then and would be 6, not giving the chance to play the shot and commit another foul.

Yes, it should be called as soon as possible - but if there is not time for the player to react and he goes ahead and strikes the black anyway as described, it would be a foul of 7.

[casualties]

Ok.. Thanks guys. You've been a great help! 2 more questions.

- I pot the red and the cueball goes straight in a pocket as well.. That's 4 points i thought but my dad is contesting this..Proof him to be wrong!

- Can someone explain the "free ball" concept a little more clear.. ??

Thanks already again, the forum has been a great help so far and i look forward to get some replies from you guys again.

Cheers

[DawRef]

Foul Situations, etc

OK.
The rules state that all fouls will incur a penalty of four points or the value of the ball on whichever is the greater (Section 3, Rule 12). So, if you pot a red and the cue-ball goes in off, it is a foul of four points. If you pot a red and the black goes in a pocket, then it is a foul of seven points.
Hope that is clear.

Free Ball (Section 2, Rule 13 and Section 3, Rule 10)

If after a foul, a player cannot see both edges of a ball or balls on by a ball or balls not on, then the referee will call 'Free Ball'. Unless only Pink and Black remain, you cannot snooker behind the nominated free ball (Section 3 Rule 10(b)(ii)).

The following example may help.
After a foul, the balls are lined up against a cushion thus:
Red, Brown, Cue Ball, Green, Red.
All other colours are on their spots and there are no other red balls. A free ball has been awarded and the player nominates Green. He rolls the cue-ball onto the Green. His opponent claims a foul as he is snookered on the red.
It is not a foul as the cue-ball is not snookered on all the reds.

I hope this answers both your questions.

[davis_greatest]

... So, if you pot a red and the cue-ball goes in off, it is a foul of four points. If you pot a red and the black goes in a pocket, then it is a foul of seven points...

I agree with you, DawRef, except on the small matter of terminology - it is not possible to "pot" a red if the cue ball goes in off; a "pot" can only occur when an object ball enters a pocket (after contact with another ball) without any infringement of the rules. So, in those examples, the red was pocketed but not potted.

[DawRef]

...the red was pocketed but not potted.

Point taken. I was trying to prove casualties dad wrong! Will try and remember terminology next time.

[casualties]

The following example may help.
After a foul, the balls are lined up against a cushion thus:
Red, Brown, Cue Ball, Green, Red.
All other colours are on their spots and there are no other red balls. A free ball has been awarded and the player nominates Green. He rolls the cue-ball onto the Green. His opponent claims a foul as he is snookered on the red.
It is not a foul as the cue-ball is not snookered on all the reds.

I hope this answers both your questions.

Ok, thanks again!

But actually, for bad players, it happen often that cueball is snookered.. (definately when all reds are potted and down to potting colored ones) So each time you cannot directly hit the color you want, you can announce a free ball?

eg: still brown/blue/pink/black.. Need to pot brown but i can not because the cueball is directly behind the black. Can i nominate another then using this "free ball" rule? What we always did is just play first a cushion in order to hit the brown. That's completely wrong right?


oh and one more thing about the 4 foul points when you pot a red and the cueball goes in. If the red gets in first, does my partner still gets 1 point for the red? If the white one goes in first, does that change anything to a possible 1 point for potting the red?

[Robert602]

A free ball is only called when the other player has fouled and left you fully or partially snookered. If you land in a snookered position but the player before you played a legal shot, you have to do your best to hit it.

Regarding your second question, a player never scores from a foul shot. You either get points yourself, or you give them away, never both. As a general rule, the order in which fouls happen or balls go in is irrelevent (or at least I can't think of a situation where it makes a difference).

[casualties]

Ok guys! Thanks so much! For now all my questions are solved and i've learnt a lot today & yesterday. Thanks again!

Now i'm off to the snooker place where i frequently play. Club finals are taking place there and i can't wait to see guys like Kevin van Hove, Bjorn haneveer in action.

Untill my next round of questions! thanks

[davis_greatest]

....It is not a foul as the cue-ball is not snookered on all the reds...

Or, rather, is snookered, but not snookered on all reds by the green - i.e. there is no effective snookering ball?

[MasseMaster]

Hi there guys, I'd also like to ask a few questions about the rules of the game.

1) If you are going for a colour, e.g. black and you hit the black but the white goes in after it, would that be a foul of 7 or 4?

2) This one is about conceeding, and default wins. If you are for example 20 points ahead ahead and your opponent pots the pink, leaving him 14 points behind. Would the game play on unless he conceeded? I say this because last month my opponent chose to play on and the white ball went in, giving him 7 points, then he potted the black which resulted in a draw. But as there was only one ball left would that make me the winner?