Black Ball Question

[dmorley85]

If you are 13 points in front after potting the pink but then go in off after potting the black (opponent is now 6 behind) does the black get re-spotted and it's a black ball game?

[DeanH]

If you are 13 points in front after potting the pink but then go in off after potting the black (opponent is now 6 behind) does the black get re-spotted and it's a black ball game?

When only the black is on the table, the first score or foul ends the game; once the points have been applied, the player with the most points wins.
The black does not get respotted unless the scores are level and a tie break occurs

[Ethanat]

Nope, won't be re-spotted. The frame ends when there's a foul on the final black, except when the difference is 7 points. In this case the guy who fouled the black will give away 7 points but he still won the frame with 6 points. Dean will probably quote you the relevant section in the rule book very soon.

[Wayne G]

Isn't it as simple as the frame is over as soon as the pink is potted and he is 13 points ahead?

[DeanH]

Isn't it as simple as the frame is over as soon as the pink is potted and he is 13 points ahead?

only if the player wishes to claim the frame at that point, he does not have to, he may have been going for a 147

[Wayne G]

only if the player wishes to claim the frame at that point, he does not have to, he may have been going for a 147

Yes, or if you're going for a personal high break, etc.

[DeanH]

Yes, or if you're going for a personal high break, etc.

yes, of course :biggrin:

[magicman]

As dmorley85 phrases the question, the frame is over as soon as the pink is potted. The final score may be recorded with the foul 7 added to the losing players total but the frame is still over.

[dmorley85]

Thanks for the replies everyone. If you were 7 points in front before going for the black but missed hitting the black altogether, does your opponent get 7 points and then carry on where the white finished or is it black back on it's spot and white in the D? Does the black always get re-spotted if it is a draw after you've fouled? Say you over cut the black and go in off and the black is left over the pocket, do you leave the black where it is and white in the D or does the black have to go back on it's spot regardless after the foul? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just a bit unclear on the rules at the end when there is just the black left and you foul etc!

[jrc750]

Black goes back on its spot, white in the D, and you spin a coin to see who goes first

[Londonlad147]

Black goes back on its spot, white in the D, and you spin a coin to see who goes first

Just to clarify... you toss a coin to see who has the *choice* of who plays first.

[jrc750]

Just to clarify... you toss a coin to see who has the *choice* of who plays first.

Yeah that's what I meant, thought that was obvious as whoever wins always has the choice

[dmorley85]

So just to clarify if the score is 40-33, you miscue the white going for the black which is over the pocket, give your opponent 7 points, the score is now equal then black gets re-spotted and white in the D and you don't leave the black where it is and carry on?

[Londonlad147]

Yeah that's what I meant, thought that was obvious as whoever wins always has the choice

A lot of players seem to think that if they lose the toss they automatically have to play first. Whilst this is usually true, the winner of the toss could elect to play first himself.

[DeanH]

So just to clarify if the score is 40-33, you miscue the white going for the black which is over the pocket, give your opponent 7 points, the score is now equal then black gets re-spotted and white in the D and you don't leave the black where it is and carry on?

Correct. Tie-break is black spotted and cue ball from D.