Best Shot

[Semih_Sayginer]

plenty of great shots linked in both of these threads

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...ad.php?t=10367

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...ead.php?t=7892

[Stunrunthru]

What do you think.

Under pressure

Higgins' blue into green pocket with screw and left hand side to come back for reds. (v White, Embassy semi '82).

Flair

White's pink into green pocket with screw and right hand side for position on black. (v Stevens, B & H semi, '84).


Just for fun, with regards to the second example, White's banana shot, for a couple of years after he played that shot, so maybe '85/'86, the BBC used this shot for it's opening titles for the late evening highlight show during coverage of the B & H Masters.
The shot was slowed and the white ball was tracked to show the bend created by the extreme backspin applied, all put to music.
Quite something.

Guinness.

Higgin's blue to the green pocket looked good because of the deep screw and reverse side but it was a poor positional shot in an over-rated break. Don't get me wrong it was a good break but over the years we have seen many to match or better it.

White pink to the green pocket v Stevens in 84 Masters again looked spectacular but there are hundreds of players who can play that shot.

The best shot ever to me was in the 1992 World Final with Brown to black left and Hendry trailing white 14-9. The cueball was in the jaws of the green pocket and the brown was on or very near to its spot and Hendry fully committed himself and rolled it in dead weight. Had he missed surely it would have been 15-9 to White going into the final session.

[Guinness]

Stunrunthru,

Ok, that's always been the contention with the Higgins 69 clearance '82. A miraculous break or poor positional play ?

Rererence the Hendry 'brown'. Was the cueball not in the jaws of the left middle pocket ?
If not I seem to remember a shot in that break where the cue ball was in the jaws of the middle pocket and he potted the brown of it's spot dead weight.

Anyway, back to the White pink. Haven't seen anything to match it in 24 years.

Guinness

[ADR147]

that higgins break had more luck and poor position that almost any break i have ever seen!! yes the blue is great but also silly and not needed, had it been a truely good break we would not remember it - i can name better finishes from hendry and john higgins under more stress! do you remember higgins against ronnie recently - had to clear an almost impossible table to win the decider and did it and made it look easy thats a good break.

[Guinness]

Blondie,

Actually, better quality is....Jimmy White crazy spin shots

Still no idea how to paste the actual link.

Cheers,

Guinness

[jb134]

Higgin's blue to the green pocket looked good because of the deep screw and reverse side but it was a poor positional shot in an over-rated break. Don't get me wrong it was a good break but over the years we have seen many to match or better it.

White pink to the green pocket v Stevens in 84 Masters again looked spectacular but there are hundreds of players who can play that shot.

The best shot ever to me was in the 1992 World Final with Brown to black left and Hendry trailing white 14-9. The cueball was in the jaws of the green pocket and the brown was on or very near to its spot and Hendry fully committed himself and rolled it in dead weight. Had he missed surely it would have been 15-9 to White going into the final session.

I was going to mention Hendrys brown from the jaws of the middle pocket earlier but couldn't remember when he did it. That would be a strong contender, I also remember him potting ablue with the rest into the green bag in a UK final, what a shot that was too.

If you were going for pure match winning bottle shots Hendry probably would have seven of the top ten.

[Blondie]

plenty of great shots linked in both of these threads

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...ad.php?t=10367

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...ead.php?t=7892

Hey Sem,

....'awesome' vids...

And really liked the 'final shot' you played against Eric Yow in the final of the 3 cushion grandmaster. [I think it was 'white' touching cushion 4 times, then 1 short, plus 1 long on to yellow, then red], which led you to winning the final.

I'd be interested to know the 'technique' you applied for this masse shot, ie:

- did you hit the white on the back, just right of centre, allowing the white to go forward, and then come back as the backspin takes effect, or hit it somewhere else?

- also just wondering as well with regards to your cue action, and striking down, what kind of 'pace' you applied to the white, i.e. slow/medium/fast? And how much follow through?

- also interested to know how long it would take to be able to play a trickshot like this? [only asking really as I've been trying out a few trickshots myself, [with lots of jumping balls...], and just wondering how long it would take to get to a 'good' standard?

And really enjoy masse shot, although I do think it's one of the hardest to get right, started practicing a lot last year, and only ever use it in snooker when 'I am placed in a snooker', which is usually quite often..

And hope this makes some sense Sem as I'm not the best at explaining, and really aswesome vids, great to watch .

Lol....xx

[Semih_Sayginer]

i think its quite clear from the first post in the 2nd thread i linked to that the person playing those shots isnt me....and ive posted such several times on this site.

[Blondie]

Blondie,

Actually, better quality is....Jimmy White crazy spin shots

Still no idea how to paste the actual link.

Cheers,

Guinness

Hey Guinness,

....no worries, & not sure if I've seen that either.., great, another one.., and I'll see if I can find it on you tube and post a bit later.

Lol.....xx

[Blondie]

i think its quite clear from the first post in the 2nd thread i linked to that the person playing those shots isnt me....and ive posted such several times on this site.

Hey Sem,

.......oops, I'm not the brightest., sorry...

Really great vids though, and I'll see if I can find some info on trickshots elsewhere.

Lol....xx

[Semih_Sayginer]

Hey Sem,

.......oops, I'm not the brightest., sorry...

Really great vids though, and I'll see if I can find some info on trickshots elsewhere.

Lol....xx

you already told me this by PM, and i replied informing you that not only had i informed publicly many times, but ive already told you by PM in the past too. why you feel you needed to reply on here after those messages i dont know.

[Blondie]

Hey Guinness,

....no worries, & not sure if I've seen that either.., great, another one.., and I'll see if I can find it on you tube and post a bit later.

Lol.....xx

Hey Guinness,

.......& awesome vid, just watced it..., a different era.

...and hope this attaches ok..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_fE-pvT084

Lol....xx

[CueAntW147]

Higgin's blue to the green pocket looked good because of the deep screw and reverse side but it was a poor positional shot in an over-rated break. Don't get me wrong it was a good break but over the years we have seen many to match or better it.

White pink to the green pocket v Stevens in 84 Masters again looked spectacular but there are hundreds of players who can play that shot.

The best shot ever to me was in the 1992 World Final with Brown to black left and Hendry trailing white 14-9. The cueball was in the jaws of the green pocket and the brown was on or very near to its spot and Hendry fully committed himself and rolled it in dead weight. Had he missed surely it would have been 15-9 to White going into the final session.

Not sure i agree with "overated break" for Higgins 69 yes he ran out of position but what bottle he showed, most would have folded or played safe, but as higgins himself put it " i was in no mood for snookers ".
When you think of the pressure he was under one miss and he was out, it still must be one of the greatest breaks ever seen.
To run out of postion and pull out great pot after great pot you have to give him credit, also worth remembering during the early 80's we didn't see players go for it ( Thorbourn, Charlton etc ) like they do now, at any time never mind a world semi.
Today there are great players who long pot with frightening consistency and make great breaks but back then it was only higgins who played that way, so maybe we shouldn't compare breaks from different decades, as not a fair comparison. ( having said that is still the higgins 69 break for me )
Had it not been for Higgins and Jimmy White, who encouraged this style of play we may have never seen todays players playing the attacking style, that we're so used to seeing.
All just my opinion, but i'm sure most agree with me ???

[missneworleans]

Have anybody got videos of those shots?

[Stunrunthru]

Higgin's blue to the green pocket looked good because of the deep screw and reverse side but it was a poor positional shot in an over-rated break. Don't get me wrong it was a good break but over the years we have seen many to match or better it.

White pink to the green pocket v Stevens in 84 Masters again looked spectacular but there are hundreds of players who can play that shot.

The best shot ever to me was in the 1992 World Final with Brown to black left and Hendry trailing white 14-9. The cueball was in the jaws of the green pocket and the brown was on or very near to its spot and Hendry fully committed himself and rolled it in dead weight. Had he missed surely it would have been 15-9 to White going into the final session.

Guiness - apologies. Hendry's shot was actually from the jaws of a middle pocket with brown on its spot.

Another do or die Hendry shot that someone else mentioned was 15-13 down to Davis in the 1990 or 1989 UK Final and he slotted the blue into the green pocket with the blue around an inch away from the side cushion and screwd back for pink on its spot. that was a far more dangerous shot then any that higgins attempted in that overrated 1982 semi final break against White.