Miss, Foul or Foul & Miss?

[terra1174]

In a case where i missed the ball on and hit the other ball(s), is that a miss or a foul? In another case where i missed the ball on but the cue ball didn't hit any other ball(s) following the miss, is that a miss or a foul?

For the both cases, if player A commits such fouls, what options does player B have?

Also, is there no any other option(s) other than a "free ball" in a case the ball on is snookered following a foul? Like having the balls replaced as they were and have the fouling player take his shot again?

[The Statman]

In a case where i missed the ball on and hit the other ball(s), is that a miss or a foul? In another case where i missed the ball on but the cue ball didn't hit any other ball(s) following the miss, is that a miss or a foul?

For the both cases, if player A commits such fouls, what options does player B have?

Also, is there no any other option(s) other than a "free ball" in a case the ball on is snookered following a foul? Like having the balls replaced as they were and have the fouling player take his shot again?

Anything that breaks the rules is a foul.

In both the situations you describe, that is the case.

If you could clearly see the ball on, and failed (whether you hit anything else or not), then it is also a Miss. Also if you were snookered and the referee considered your attempt inadequate, it can also be called a Miss.

You cannot have a Miss without a Foul.

If player A fouls, with no Miss, Player B can play the next shot yourself or make your Player A do so from there. If a Miss is called, Player B has the additional option of having the balls replaced and Player A take the shot again.

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If you are snookered after a foul, the only option you have is the free ball. However, if your opponent's previous shot was called a Miss, then of course you can have the balls replaced.

Judgement of a Miss is based on the shot that was played; judgement of a free ball is based only on the position of the balls left.

[davyp26uk]

Yesterday I was playing and I went in off a red. However after the white dropped, the black also dropped. Is this four or seven points away?

[The Statman]

Yesterday I was playing and I went in off a red. However after the white dropped, the black also dropped. Is this four or seven points away?

7 – thou shalt not pocket the black!

[gingerale]

thou shalt not pocket the black!

I want a shirt with this printed on!

[DawRef]

If you are snookered after a foul, the only option you have is the free ball.

Wrong. You can also have your opponent play from where the cue ball has finished, whether it is snookered or not, or, as stated below, have all balls replaced and your opponent play the stroke again.

[The Statman]

DawRef.

Yes, thanks. My earlier post should have read (amendments in red):

Anything that breaks the rules is a foul.

In both the situations you describe, that is the case.

If you could clearly see the ball on, and failed (whether you hit anything else or not), then it is also a Miss. Also if you were snookered and the referee considered your attempt inadequate, it can also be called a Miss.

You cannot have a Miss without a Foul.

If player A fouls, with no Miss, Player B can play the next shot yourself or make your Player A do so from there. If a Miss is called, Player B has the additional option of having the balls replaced and Player A take the shot again.

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If you are snookered after a foul, the only additional option you have is the free ball. However, if your opponent's previous shot was called a Miss, then of course you can have the balls replaced.

Judgement of a Miss is based on the shot that was played; judgement of a free ball is based only on the position of the balls left.

Wrong. You can also have your opponent play from where the cue ball has finished, whether it is snookered or not, or, as stated below, have all balls replaced and your opponent play the stroke again.

Not quite. Only if a Miss is called on the opponent's foul can the balls be replaced. The foul might not have had anything to do with failure to hit the ball on, and even that in itself doesn't dictate that a Miss would be called.

[terra1174]

If player A fouls, with no Miss, Player B can play the next shot yourself or make your Player A do so from there. If a Miss is called, Player B has the additional option of having the balls replaced and Player A take the shot again.

Player A makes a foul and a miss, the resulting shot leaves the ball on snookered, however, Player B chooses Player A to play on without having the balls replaced. Is that a free ball for Player A?

[The Statman]

Player A makes a foul and a miss, the resulting shot leaves the ball on snookered, however, Player B chooses Player A to play on without having the balls replaced. Is that a free ball for Player A?

No. Once you have requested the offender to play again, the free ball becomes void.