Rule Question

[basvhout]

Hello,

I have got a question about a rule in snooker. It would be great if someone could explane it to me. I watched the match Liang vs Swail. What i saw was; Swail snookered Liang with only the pink and the black on the table. Liang missed the pink and got 6 points. When you normally miss a ball the other player gets 4 points. Does he get 6 points because the pink was the lowest ball on the table? And how does it work when you miss a ball and hit the Yellow or the green? Do you get 2 or 3 points or just 4? Is 4 the minimum and the balls above the minimum is the points of the ball?

Thanks Alot for reading, I hope I'm getting a respond.

Bas :snooker:

[Watford]

Minimum foul score is points
If you hit a ball out of turn that is more than 4 points or miss a ball of more than 4 points value when on it: you give away that value in foul points (5 blue etc.)
Easy!

[wildJONESEYE]

4 is the minimmum foul yes but if you fould the Blue its 5, pink = 6 and black = 7......

[basvhout]

ok but like in the match of liang and swail he missed the pink... but there were only 2 balls on the table (pink and black) he did not hit any ball... but swail got 6 points he did get that cause pink is the lowest ball on the table?

[JaneDoe]

when there's only pink and black left on the table, the pink is the ball on. in this case when a player misses the pink his opponent gets 6 points because that's how many points the pink worth. if in the same situation a player hits the black, his opponent gets 7 points.

oh wait, i wasnt supposed to type that, i know nowt about snooker

[Robert602]

That's right. As a rule of thumb the penalty is the value of the highest ball involved, except that the minimum penalty is 4. By 'involved' here I mean to include the ball being aimed for ('ball on'), the ball hit first (if any), and the values of any ball pocketed.

In this case the foul was 6 not because the pink is the lowest ball on the table (at least not directly) but because, as JaneDoe says, it was the ball on.

[basvhout]

ok, and when there are plenty red's on the table and someone snookered himself after potting a red. He said Pink ball and he would miss the pink and hit no other ball. Do you get 6 or 4? and what if he misses the pink and hit for example the green?

[Robert602]

That's 6 again because by choosing to aim for the pink it becomes the ball on.

Go for pink, miss it and miss all other balls as well:
Pink is the highest ball involved, so foul is 6.

Go for pink, miss it and hit green instead:
Balls involved are now pink (the ball on) and green (the ball hit). Pink is still the highest valued of those, so foul 6.

Go for pink, miss it and hit black instead:
The foul now involves the black (the ball hit) as well as the pink (the ball on). We take the highest valued ball for the penalty, so foul 7.

Go for yellow, miss it and hit green:
All balls involved are low valued so we give the minimum penalty, foul 4.

[basvhout]

ok, thanks alot Robert!

I fully understand now

[sArnie]

Clarification to Robert602's explanation

I'd like to clarify Robert602's explanation. An important point is, that unless a ball not on is potted, all depends on which ball is played/hit first.

Let's assume you just potted a red and nominate blue. All fouls committed in that shot count at least five points, as that's the value of the ball on in that situation. If you hit pink first instead of blue that will get you six foul points regardless which balls are hit later on in that shot. The only exception to this is that a ball with an even higher value is potted; e.g. blue ball is nominated, you hit pink first and some ball pushes the black into a pocket. This foul would add seven points to your opponents score. In this example, of course, it would not matter at all, whether blue or any other ball had been the ball on.

All aspects of scoring fouls are described in the official rules by World Snooker Section 3 rule 12. This part is clear enough and should not bring up new questions (as the miss rule usually does ).

[wildJONESEYE]

ok, thanks alot Robert!

I fully understand now

PS---
Pleaseeeeeee Dont ask about the Miss Rule.....that would take for ever and to be honest knowbody knows it not even the Referees it seems hahahaha

[Teresa]

PS---
Pleaseeeeeee Dont ask about the Miss Rule.....that would take for ever and to be honest knowbody knows it not even the Referees it seems hahahaha

I understand the miss rule better than footballs offside rule!!!!!!! Hahaha

[DawRef]

This is easily summed up in Section 3 Rule 11(g).

If more than one foul is committed in the same stroke, the highest value penalty shall be incurred.

So, if Pink is the ball on and the player misses it (one foul) and hits the green (another foul), the penalty is six points. If, however, he misses the pink and hits the black, then the penalty is seven points.

[basvhout]

ok thanks again! I allready got it. but thanks anyway!

[dantuck_7]

Okay, how about this then................. 2 reds left.....


A player is left with a free ball - attempts a pot on the green which jaws and ends up snookering his opponent on one of the reds. However, the remaining red is also blocked by one of the colours. Your opponent claims a foul... is he/she correct?