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    - let's say I play on Black. after I pocketed Black, the cue ball falls into a pocket to. do I get the 7 points? and 4 points for the foul, for my opponent?

    - same after I pocketed red and white falls into a pocket, right? 1 point for me, 4 for the opponent (my foul), and of course it's his turn now.

    - shot on a red ball, say in a far corner, miss it (for whatever reason...) and by coincidence another red is pocketed. 1 point for me and still to continue (on color now)?

    - how many times can the opponent insist on repeating a shot after I missed (after being snookered)?

    Thanks a lot and sorry for my English!

    Phil

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    -let's say I play on Black. after I pocketed Black, the cue ball falls into a pocket to. do I get the 7 points? and 4 points for the foul, for my opponent?
    No it would be 7 points for your opponent for fouling on the black

    - same after I pocketed red and white falls into a pocket, right? 1 point for me, 4 for the opponent (my foul), and of course it's his turn now.
    No just 4 points for your opponent

    - shot on a red ball, say in a far corner, miss it (for whatever reason...) and by coincidence another red is pocketed. 1 point for me and still to continue (on color now)?
    Yes you still potted a red so you continue

    - how many times can the opponent insist on repeating a shot after I missed (after being snookered)?
    Not sure but as many as he wants I suppose
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    • #3
      Originally Posted by Phil View Post
      - let's say I play on Black. after I pocketed Black, the cue ball falls into a pocket to. do I get the 7 points? and 4 points for the foul, for my opponent?
      No, you don't get any points for a shot in which you foul. Your opponent gets 7 points (fouls are 5,6, or 7 points where the blue, pink or black are involved, otherwise 4 points).

      Originally Posted by Phil View Post
      - same after I pocketed red and white falls into a pocket, right? 1 point for me, 4 for the opponent (my foul), and of course it's his turn now.
      Again, no points for you for that shot. Your opponent gets 4 points (no higher than four because there are no high colours involved).

      Originally Posted by Phil View Post
      - shot on a red ball, say in a far corner, miss it (for whatever reason...) and by coincidence another red is pocketed. 1 point for me and still to continue (on color now)?
      Yes that's right - flukes are good. Potting two reds is ok too, by the way, you get two points and can continue your break with a colour.

      Originally Posted by Phil View Post
      - how many times can the opponent insist on repeating a shot after I missed (after being snookered)?
      Generally the 'miss rule' (your opponent can only have the balls replaced if a shot is called a 'miss') isn't used in friendly games, it's a rule that was brought in to stop professionals playing calculated escape where it wouldn't matter if they failed to hit the ball on.

      If you do want to use it though then ask yourself these questions:

      Are there enough balls left on the table that you can both still win (or tie) without fouls? If no, it's not a miss.

      If yes, are you trying to hit the easiest ball in the easiest possible way? If no, it's a miss.

      If yes, did you hit the shot hard enough to reach the ball? If no, it's a miss.

      If yes, did you get fairly close, relative to your ability? If no, it's a miss.

      Otherwise, no miss.

      I hope that's clear. Just in case you don't know, the official rules are here, but feel free to ask again on the forum too.

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      • #4
        - same after I pocketed red and white falls into a pocket, right? 1 point for me, 4 for the opponent (my foul), and of course it's his turn now.
        No just 4 points for your opponent
        but red will not be placed on the table again, right?

        thanks so far for your responses, Robert and crucible.

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        • #5
          Originally Posted by Phil View Post
          but red will not be placed on the table again, right
          That's right - the red stays in the pocket.

          Interestingly if only the colours are remaining and, say, you pocket the yellow and the cue ball, the yellow does come back on to the table (onto its spot).

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by Robert602 View Post
            Generally the 'miss rule' (your opponent can only have the balls replaced if a shot is called a 'miss') isn't used in friendly games, it's a rule that was brought in to stop professionals playing calculated escape where it wouldn't matter if they failed to hit the ball on.

            If you do want to use it though then ask yourself these questions:

            Are there enough balls left on the table that you can both still win (or tie) without fouls? If no, it's not a miss.

            If yes, are you trying to hit the easiest ball in the easiest possible way? If no, it's a miss.

            If yes, did you hit the shot hard enough to reach the ball? If no, it's a miss.

            If yes, did you get fairly close, relative to your ability? If no, it's a miss.

            Otherwise, no miss.
            Robert, thanks a lot! that really helps a lot.
            still a lot to learn, even at my age...

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by Robert602 View Post
              Interestingly if only the colours are remaining and, say, you pocket the yellow and the cue ball, the yellow does come back on to the table (onto its spot).
              yep, because it was a foul, right? thanks again.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by Phil View Post
                yep, because it was a foul, right? thanks again.
                Yep, just thought it was worth mentioning you might otherwise assume that a final colour, like a red, stays down on a foul. I think that caught me out when I was new to the game.

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                • #9
                  - how many times can the opponent insist on repeating a shot after I missed (after being snookered)?
                  Depends on the scores at the time of the miss and if you can see full ball.

                  Let us assume that there is only one red on the table, you are 28 points behind and.......

                  1. Can see the red full ball.

                  If you fail to hit the red, the referee will call 'foul and a miss' (foul 4 points and you are now 32 points behind). Your opponent exercises his right to have the balls replaced and you play the stroke again. If you miss the red again, you will be called 'foul and a miss' (even though you are now 36 points behind, Section 3, 14(c)(i)). If the balls are replaced, the referee will warn you that a failure to hit the red, he will award the frame to your opponent (section 3, 14(c)(ii)).

                  2. Is snookered on the red

                  If you fail to hit the red and the referee thinks you have not made a good enough attempt to hit it, he will call 'foul and a miss' (foul 4 points and you are now 32 points behind). Your opponent exercises his right to have the balls replaced and you play the stroke again. You miss the red again, but this time only a 'foul' is called (you are 36 points behind and now need penalty points to win the frame, Section 3 rule 14(b)).

                  Obviously, if all the reds are still on the table and you fail to hit them (from a snookered position), you could keep on attempting to hit them and being called 'foul and a miss' for quite some time.

                  I trust this clears up this part of the rules.
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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by Robert602 View Post
                    Interestingly if only the colours are remaining and, say, you pocket the yellow and the cue ball, the yellow does come back on to the table (onto its spot).
                    ah damn, and just when this happened yesterday I wasn't sure anymore and th eopponent had no clue whatsoever. I firstthought it would come back onto its spot, but then I became very unsecure about it...

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by Phil View Post
                      ah damn, and just when this happened yesterday I wasn't sure anymore and th eopponent had no clue whatsoever. I firstthought it would come back onto its spot, but then I became very unsecure about it...
                      Yes, all the colours, after the reds have gone, have to be potted (i.e. in a legal shot) before you go to the next shot.

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