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Hi a situation has occured in my league tonight , { i was not present }. my players opponent , points about level , has smashed his cue in half during the frame , on the final brown ,away from the table , come back and defeated my player by three points , what happens now . can we be awarded that frame . etc .. and what is the correct procedure . thanks
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I'm no expert (actually I'm a beginner) but I guess it depends on your league's rules ... how long was the opponent away from the table for?
I think under professional rules, a player can ask the ref for a "comfort break" (maybe 5 to 10mins) or a tip replacement break (max 15mins) ... -
As much as I know players have the chance to do minor repairs. But they have to ask the referee for permission (if no ref is present, the oponent has to be asked) . I'm not sure if there is an official time limit or if the referee can tell the player how much time he has to repair his cue. This case is not covered by the rules.Originally Posted by DandyA View PostComment
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comfort break
It depends whether the opponent used your players head in any way to assist with the cue breaking.Otherwise it's just another form of comfort break.
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Apparently he did not use his apponents head , which is just as well , he is 6ft 4. but the question, is , What are the rules regarding a player ,deliberatly , out of temper breaking his cue during a one frame match , does he forefit the frame ie ungentlemanly conduct etc .Comment
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I dont understand your question. Are you asking if a player is allowed to break his cue during a match, or if he is allowed to take a break to repair his cue?
I would not mind if my opponent breaks his cues when playing against me.
Even better if he cannot find another cue so he needs to use one from the rack.
Probably should not say this, but it sounds like people in your league do not really know the rule (e.g. last black ball rule) but are looking for ways to win on technicality. You really should learn to let yoru cue do the talking, and win by skill. There will always be players who try to cheat, or interfer with your game while you play, it is no good for you to get too technical over this kind of things as it can really mess you up.Comment
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Reply , the first question . what is the rule regarding a player deliberatly breking his cue , during a match , in snooker ,a game with integrity , is this act punishable by the frame being awarded to the opponent . i AM asking because i ,and several people i have spoken to including a grade two ref dont know the conclusive answer . the game is over i will not be appealing , i just want to know the ruling . thanks .Comment
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I dont know the rule for sure but it is probably like tennis where they smash their racket into the ground, break it, get a new one and just keep going.
You would think snooker would be a bit more refined but I guess not its all coming down to "snooker rage"
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I think this rule will solve your query:
1. Conduct
In the event of:
(a) a Player taking an abnormal amount of time over a stroke or the selection of a stroke; or
(b) any conduct by a Player which in the opinion of the referee is wilfully or persistently unfair; or
(c) any other conduct by a Player which otherwise amounts to ungentlemanly conduct; or
(d) refusing to continue a frame;
the referee shall either:
(e) warn the Player that in the event of any such further conduct the frame will be awarded to his opponent; or
(f) award the frame to his opponent; or
(g) in the event that the conduct is sufficiently serious award the game to his opponent
If a referee has warned the Player under (e) above, in the event of any further conduct as referred to above, the referee must either:
(a) award the frame to his opponent; or
(b) in the event that the further conduct is sufficiently serious, award the game to his opponent.
If a referee has awarded a frame to a Player's opponent pursuant to the above provisions, in the event of any further conduct as referred to above by the Player concerned, the referee must award the game to the Player's opponent.
Any decision by a referee to award a frame and/or the game to a Player's opponent shall be final and shall not be subject to any appeal.Comment
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Is breaking ones cue ungentlemanlike?
I guess it depends on how he did it?
If he goes out to the parking lot, smashes your car with his cue, then yes--but if he does it in the bathroom, without damaging anything else, in private--just because he was so mad at himself--I would say no. Match is over anyway, can't see how you can change anything now.Comment
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Interesting situation.
I am sorry to say that I have witnessed similar actions although in my case the cue was lauched down the length of the snooker hall.
If the player had done this in the snooker hall, I would have done 2 things-
1. Warn the player for ungentlemanly conduct and make it very clear to him that it is not acceptable. Any further disruptions would cause him to forfeit the frame. Sometimes this does not seem to be enough but the rules are clear. You have to warn the offender first.
2. Insist that if he is going to carry on that he does so IMMEDIATELY. I do not see why we should wait around for him to repair his cue.
If he had done it outside then a minor word would probably suffice to make sure he doesn't bring that attitude into the club. He would still have to continue immediately.
In my opinion, a player need time to effect repairs following an accident. This does not count.
If this kind of thing happens at a competition then there is always a heirarchy to follow to make a sensible decision for all concerned.
If the opponent had asked me for a toilet break at that time, I would have gladly agreed.Some days I'm the statue.
Some days I'm the pigeon.
Today is a statue kind of day.Comment
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