miss and touching blue

[Odrl]

Would it make any difference if the cue ball touched the red(s) when jumping over it/them, but then still went on to hit the colour?

[The Statman]

Would it make any difference if the cue ball touched the red(s) when jumping over it/them, but then still went on to hit the colour?

That would make a Miss callable in normal circumstances, but the rule does state that, in an impossible snooker, it can only be called if no theoretical attempt was made, which can only be playing in the wrong direction and/or with insufficient strength.

[Odrl]

That would make a Miss callable in normal circumstances, but the rule does state that, in an impossible snooker, it can only be called if no theoretical attempt was made, which can only be playing in the wrong direction and/or with insufficient strength.

Interesting. How about this one then...

If it is impossible to hit the ball on (the usual situation is the white in the jaws of the pocket with a colour in front, but APK's example above is another), you must play with sufficient strength to have hit the ball on, if the intervening balls were not there.

If a player tried to get out of "the usual situation" by jumping the cue ball onto the cushion and applying some sort of spin, so that the cue ball would come off the cushion in the direction of the object ball (and avoiding the snookering ball)... If he hit the red (or any object ball) that way, I assume it would be a legal shot, and you would not call a foul. (please correct me if I am wrong here)

So what if he played that same shot, but just missed the object ball by a fraction. Would you then call a miss, basically for "playing in the wrong direction"?

[The Statman]

Interesting. How about this one then...



If a player tried to get out of "the usual situation" by jumping the cue ball onto the cushion and applying some sort of spin, so that the cue ball would come off the cushion in the direction of the object ball (and avoiding the snookering ball)... If he hit the red (or any object ball) that way, I assume it would be a legal shot, and you would not call a foul. (please correct me if I am wrong here)

So what if he played that same shot, but just missed the object ball by a fraction. Would you then call a miss, basically for "playing in the wrong direction"?

No I would not. If a player played such shot that would be fine.

The Rule does state "directly or indirectly" so some leeway is given in the Rules to that extent.

[Phil]

guys, that's most confusing... No, seriously, there's quite some learning potential in those replies.

[poolqjunkie]

How is sufficient strength determined? The movement of the cue ball will be greatly slowed down by the impeding balls, so how could anyone know if I can actually hit my color ball had my reds not been there?

[The Statman]

How is sufficient strength determined? ...

By the referee's judgment. That's what he's there for.

[tallguy]

The Miss Rule states that the player should attempt to hit the ball on to the best of his ability. In the case of an impossible snooker it shall be assumed that he has made an adequate attempt, as long as he plays with sufficient strength to have reached the object ball but for the intervening balls. Not word-for-word but you can read the exact wording on the worldsnooker website.

This is quite unequivocal. Because it is impossible, you can pretend that it is not a snooker and just aim towards the relevant ball with enough speed that it would have reached.

I don't any referee would assume that any player was capable of playing directly at a ball with sufficient strength. And that is what he must 'try'.

What about this scenario ? It is possible to hit the ball on with full ball contact but it is (almost) impossible to hit it directly because of presence of other balls near the cue ball which makes cueing very very tough. To make matters worse there are other balls near the object ball which make it impossible to hit the object ball off cushions.

Would this be considered an impossible snooker ? If not, would the player be forced to concede the frame if he cannot hit the ball on in three tries ?

[thtskhk]

okay. I should play on red, miss and touch blue. 5 points for my opponent. he insists on a miss and that I repeat the shot. is it 4 for the miss or 5 for touching blue?

now after blue has been touched it has of course moved. does blue have to be replaced again where it was before or not, when I have to replay? what if no one recalls where it was exactly located before the foul.

and how many times can the opponent call for a miss?

Your 'opponent' doesn't call a miss, the referee does, it's for pro snooker... but I guess if you like to play like the pro's it's cool... no one I know does that. And c'mon guys, someone should've told him that...