smallest amount of points at end of game

[dantuck_7]

i only "use" the rule that a ball which is not spotted will not be spotted after (after more shots have been taken), if the mistake is not noticed no the spot.

First time, I've heard of this.... has anyone ever used this while reffing?

[Krypton]

I certainly HOPE not...

[brazil70]

what is the smallest amount of points you can possibly have on the scoreboard at the end of a game after all the balls have been potted?

31, player A smashes pack and remarkably posts all 15 reds, but unfortunately goes in off (0-4), Player B then clears up, (0-31) or any permutation of the 27 Pts remaining, eg could be 18-13

[submarine]

31, player A smashes pack and remarkably posts all 15 reds, but unfortunately goes in off (0-4), Player B then clears up, (0-31) or any permutation of the 27 Pts remaining, eg could be 18-13

Not quite true, as you don't have to pot the final black if you are 8 points clear.

[dantuck_7]

Is there some rule linked to a free-ball where you can pot two colours and only score for 1 of them. It's too early for me to remember it correctly... this might bring it down by a point or 2?

[brazil70]

Not quite true, as you don't have to pot the final black if you are 8 points clear.

Quite correct, but with you saying`after all balls have been potted` I gave that answer. Alternatively a similar scenario at start of frame all 15 reds potted with 4 point foul to player B (0-4) player A pots yellow and green (5-4), B pots brown (5-8), A pots blue and pink (16-8), black not required as 8 points difference, (24 points total scored) quite an action packed see-saw of a frame!!

[roykay]

Answer is 31.
Roy Bacon

[RocketRoy1983]

My guess is 22. Your opponent pots all 15 reds WITHOUT colours then yellow and green. You then clear to win 22-20.

[roykay]

Thats 42!!
The answer is 31 with all balls potted.
pot 15 reds and go in off all in one shot,then your oponent pots the colours.4 for the foul
plus 27 =31
Roy Bacon

[moglet]

Have to rethink this one,

Clever question, it has to be at most 31 total on the scoreboard, as Roy Bacon and Forman said, doesn't really matter who scores on the colours, I can't think of a way of scoring less points...

[The Statman]

The problem with the 15-reds-and-in-off in one shot is that the question states "when all balls have been potted"

Since the definition of a 'pot' is a ball entering a pocket in a legal shot, then none of the reds have been potted, they were fouled.

The total number of points on the scoreboard, when all balls are potted, must be 15+27 =42. You can share the 42 points between the two players whichever way you like – 22-20 or 23-19 or whatever, but if all balls are potted then all balls are scored.

[Krypton]

very good, Statman

[The Statman]

these things come up every once in a while... about as realistic as the following scenario:

i pot all 15 reds, yellow, green, brown and blue with one stroke - foul 5.

the ref forgets to spot yellow, green, brown and blue. my opponent comes to the table, pots pink (as it's the lowest colour on the table). the smaller colours can NOT be respotted by now (after the pot on the pink).

in that case, he wins the frame with the final score of 11 - 0, as the black is not needed.

A decision of the Rules Committee some years ago was that, if it was noticed that a ball was not returned to the table which should have been, then it can be returned.

The Rules Committee gave two specific examples, now let's see if I can remember them both... One of them was that a player was 29 behind on the last red, and pots last red and yellow. The referee forgets to respot it and the player doesn't notice and continued on green and brown. As he's playing the blue he glances at the scoreboard and sees he's 19 behind! Since player and referee were definite that he could win the frame when he came to the table, they realise that the final yellow must not have been potted, so then the yellow can be returned. The other situation is that nobody notices a red remaining on the table when a player starts on the colours clearance and, potting the blue, the player/referee sees the remaining red. By then the yellow and green and brown have been 'legally' potted (technically a foul but each was condoned as the next shot was taken), and the blue fouled because red was ball on and has not been condoned by a following stroke. Red now becomes ball on and the clearance from there would be red-colour-blue-pink-black.

The rules state that a foul must be condoned once another shot has been played, but that does not necessarily mean that a colour wrongly missing is similarly condoned.

[Krypton]

good to have the exact wording of what we just tend to hear about over here...

still, this scenarios are VERY likely to appear in every 2 or 3 matches though...


(at least i knew: a POT is a ball entering a pocket legally, a thing many don't know. "i went for red, but then accidentally the cueball went over to the blue and potted it for a foul five" is not correct, as you stated)

[RocketRoy1983]

Well done statman?? See my post yesterday!!