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    According to TheStatman Selby had a chance of winning the WC while beating a previous holder in every round. Well, that was before Murphy was knocked out..... just thought I'd check! Makes for some interesting reading.

    The table below shows the number of WC's of each opponent faced for each year's winner. Anyone in bold without a bracket next to their surname is a future winner as well (for example Dott in 2004). Stephen Hendry in 93 and Reardon in 78 are the only two that have won the title without facing a previous or future holder.


    YearWinnerRound
    1
    Round
    2
    Quarter
    Final
    Semi
    Final
    Final
    Total
    WC's
    1977SpencerVirgo.Reardon
    ( x 5)
    Pulman
    ( x 7)
    Thorburn
    12
    1978ReardonMountjoy.WerbeniukCharltonMans
    0
    1979GriffithsMans.Higgins, A.
    ( x 1)
    CharltonTaylor,
    Dennis
    1
    1980Thorburn.MountjoyWychTaylor,
    David
    Higgins, A.
    ( x 1)
    1
    1981Davis, S.WhiteHiggins, A.
    ( x 1)
    Griffiths
    ( x 1)
    Thorburn
    ( x 1)
    Mountjoy
    3
    1982Higgins, A.MeadowcroftMountjoyThorneWhiteReardon
    ( x 6)
    6
    1983Davis, S.Williams, R.Taylor,
    Dennis
    CharltonHiggins, A.
    ( x 2)
    Thorburn
    ( x 1)
    3
    1984Davis, S.King, W.Spencer
    ( x 3)
    Griffiths
    ( x 1)
    Taylor,
    Dennis
    White
    4
    1985Taylor,
    Dennis
    Francisco, S.CharltonThorburn
    ( x 1)
    KnowlesDavis, S.
    ( x 3)
    4
    1986JohnsonMartinHallettGriffiths
    ( x 1)
    KnowlesDavis, S.
    ( x 3)
    4
    1987Davis, S.King, W.Reardon
    ( x 6)
    Griffiths
    ( x 1)
    WhiteJohnson
    ( x 1)
    8
    1988Davis, S.VirgoHallettDragoThorburn
    ( x 1)
    Griffiths
    ( x 1)
    2
    1989Davis, S.NewburyDugganHallettHendryParrott
    0
    1990HendryRobidouxMeoMorgan, D.ParrottWhite
    0
    1991ParrottGilbertKnowlesGriffiths
    ( x 1)
    Davis, S.
    ( x 6)
    White
    7
    1992HendryMurphy,
    Stephen
    WattanaO’KaneGriffiths
    ( x 1)
    White
    1
    1993HendryFowlerMorgan, D.BondMcManusWhite
    0
    1994HendryGillHaroldBondDavis, S.
    ( x 6)
    White
    6
    1995HendryMazrocisDragoO'SullivanWhiteBond
    0
    1996HendryFergusonWilkinsonMorgan, D.BondEbdon
    0
    1997DohertyDavis, M.Davis, S.
    ( x 6)
    Higgins, J.RobidouxHendry
    ( x 6)
    12
    1998Higgins, J.FergusonHamiltonParrott
    ( x 1)
    O'SullivanDoherty
    ( x 1)
    2
    1999HendryHunterWattanaStevens, M.O'SullivanWilliams, M.
    0
    2000Williams, M.ReadHenryO’BrienHiggins, J.
    ( x 1)
    Stevens, M.
    1
    2001O'SullivanHicksHaroldEbdonSwailHiggins, J.
    ( x 1)
    1
    2002EbdonJudgePerryHamiltonStevens, M.Hendry
    ( x 7)
    7
    2003Williams, M.PettmanHannHendry
    ( x 7)
    LeeDoherty
    ( x 1)
    8
    2004O'SullivanMaguireHicksHamiltonHendry
    ( x 7)
    Dott
    7
    2005Murphy,
    Shaun
    SmallHiggins, J.
    ( x 1)
    Davis, S.
    ( x 6)
    Ebdon
    ( x 1)
    Stevens, M.
    8
    2006DottParrott
    ( x 1)
    BondRobertsonO'Sullivan
    ( x 2)
    Ebdon
    ( x 1)
    4
    2007Higgins, J.HoltO'BrienO'Sullivan
    ( x 2)
    MaguireSelby
    2
    2008O'SullivanLiuWilliams, M.
    ( x 2)
    LiangHendry
    ( x 7)
    Carter
    9
    2009Higgins, J.HoltCopeSelbyAllenMurphy,
    Shaun ( x 1)
    1
    2010RobertsonO'BrienGouldDavis, S
    (x 6)
    CarterDott
    ( x 1)
    7
    2011Higgins, J.LeeMcLeodO'Sullivan
    (x 3)
    Williams, M.
    ( x 2)
    Trump
    5
    Last edited by dantuck_7; 12 August 2011, 10:00 PM.

  • #2
    Nice stats Dan,

    Only similar occurence I could think of was Doug Mountjoy's capture of the B&H Masters in 1977. He'd just won the World Amateur and turned pro and was invited to the event as a late replacement. He went on to beat 4 World Champions, John Pulman, Fred Davis, Alex Higgins and then in the final, Ray Reardon, 7-6.

    It has probably happened more than once at the Masters, there being such a bountiful supply of World champs on show! That one just popped into my head though.
    Last edited by Cyril; 30 April 2010, 10:29 AM.

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    • #3
      Yeap he could have done that before Murphy went out...interesting stats!
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      • #4
        Originally Posted by Cyril View Post
        Nice stats Dan,

        Only similar occurence I could think of was Doug Mountjoy's capture of the B&H Masters in 1977. He'd just won the World Amateur and turned pro and was invited to the event as a late replacement. He went on to beat 4 World Champions, John Pulman, Fred Davis, Alex Higgins and then in the final, Ray Reardon, 7-6.

        It has probably happened more than once at the Masters, there being such a bountiful supply of World champs on show! That one just popped into my head though.
        Interesting stuff Dan.

        The Statman, Kellie and I were talking on Tuesday lunchtime and were also saying that for the first time in I don't know how long, all the Quarter Finalists had previous experience of the single table set-up at the Crucible... would be interesting to see if that had happened before.

        To come back on Cyril's point, the key there is not so much the bountiful supply of ex World Champs at the Masters (they are all present at the Crucible after all) but that the tournament is limited to the Top 16 plus 2 wildcards, which means that there will be first round ties involving ex World Champions which those champions could well lose. At the Crucible, this is less likely (but still happens).

        You can't beat a good dose of stats

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        • #5
          Originally Posted by rambon View Post
          Interesting stuff Dan.

          The Statman, Kellie and I were talking on Tuesday lunchtime and were also saying that for the first time in I don't know how long, all the Quarter Finalists had previous experience of the single table set-up at the Crucible... would be interesting to see if that had happened before.

          To come back on Cyril's point, the key there is not so much the bountiful supply of ex World Champs at the Masters (they are all present at the Crucible after all) but that the tournament is limited to the Top 16 plus 2 wildcards, which means that there will be first round ties involving ex World Champions which those champions could well lose. At the Crucible, this is less likely (but still happens).

          You can't beat a good dose of stats
          Hello rambon,
          Long time no chat, Sir. To further your point I suppose, taking this years WC as an example, 3 World Champs, namely Davis, Doherty and Dott all qualified for the Crucible yet none were at the Masters.

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          • #6
            Yep you have to go quite a way back to find all quarter-finalists that had made it to the semi's previously. It's 1984!

            1984 - 1st SF
            Davis, S. - 1981
            Mountjoy - 1981
            Thorburn - 1977
            Stevens, K. - 1980
            Griffiths - 1979
            Taylor, Dennis - 1977
            White - 1982
            Reardon - 1978

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            • #7
              One thing that suprized me with the 'ex-champs' as opponents stats is how few ex world champions Hendry has had to play to win his titles..... I'm not saying this to start arguments saying that Hendry has had it easy to win his titles but just an abservation!!!

              Steve Davis - 1981 (3), 1983 (2), 1984 (2), 1987 (3), 1988 (2), 1989 (0)
              Stephen Hendry - 1990 (0), 1992 (1), 1993 (0), 1994 (1), 1995 (0), 1996 (0), 1999 (0)

              Thats only 2 ex-champs compaired to Davis's 12!!!!!
              Highest Break
              Practice: 136 (2005)
              Match: 134 (2006)
              In 2011: 94
              Centuries made: 50+

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by thinsy View Post
                One thing that suprized me with the 'ex-champs' as opponents stats is how few ex world champions Hendry has had to play to win his titles..... I'm not saying this to start arguments saying that Hendry has had it easy to win his titles but just an abservation!!!

                Steve Davis - 1981 (3), 1983 (2), 1984 (2), 1987 (3), 1988 (2), 1989 (0)
                Stephen Hendry - 1990 (0), 1992 (1), 1993 (0), 1994 (1), 1995 (0), 1996 (0), 1999 (0)

                Thats only 2 ex-champs compaired to Davis's 12!!!!!
                To be fair to Hendry though. All those that Davis beat had pretty much retired or slipped down the rankings by the time he was winning (bar Davis who always seemed to manage to get beaten before Hendry got the chance to (that would have added 6 to his total in one go). Then, considering he won it 5 years in a row, there were no additional world champions to beat in future years... So it doesn't surprise me that much that Davis total is higher....

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                • #9
                  Originally Posted by thinsy View Post
                  One thing that suprized me with the 'ex-champs' as opponents stats is how few ex world champions Hendry has had to play to win his titles..... I'm not saying this to start arguments saying that Hendry has had it easy to win his titles but just an abservation!!!

                  Steve Davis - 1981 (3), 1983 (2), 1984 (2), 1987 (3), 1988 (2), 1989 (0)
                  Stephen Hendry - 1990 (0), 1992 (1), 1993 (0), 1994 (1), 1995 (0), 1996 (0), 1999 (0)

                  Thats only 2 ex-champs compaired to Davis's 12!!!!!
                  Fair point but you have to consider this. Davis and Hendry between them won 13 World titles so, by the time it got to the mid 90's there weren't so many former World champ in the draw. In the last 10 years there have been so many more different Champs, O'Sullivan, Higgins, Williams, Murphy, Ebdon, Dott...

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by Cyril View Post
                    Fair point but you have to consider this. Davis and Hendry between them won 13 World titles so, by the time it got to the mid 90's there weren't so many former World champ in the draw. In the last 10 years there have been so many more different Champs, O'Sullivan, Higgins, Williams, Murphy, Ebdon, Dott...
                    I was going to make the point that by the end of the 90's Hendry hadn't let too many others win a championship but handn't took into consideration that in the previous decade Davis had done the same..... What a selfish and unconsiderate pair they have been!!!
                    Highest Break
                    Practice: 136 (2005)
                    Match: 134 (2006)
                    In 2011: 94
                    Centuries made: 50+

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by thinsy View Post
                      I was going to make the point that by the end of the 90's Hendry hadn't let too many others win a championship but handn't took into consideration that in the previous decade Davis had done the same..... What a selfish and unconsiderate pair they have been!!!
                      lol. That made me chuckle. Its probably they were just greedy. "Sorry, no, you can't win a world title. They're mine! All mine!"
                      If you want to play the pink, but you're hampered by the red, you could always try to play the brown!

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                      • #12
                        Have updated this for 2010 and 2011 - many thanks to The Statmans almanac!

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                        • #13
                          BTW nobody defeated title holder in every round

                          --- Yep good point, I wonder if any finalists have done this?

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