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  • Ssb - the grand prix: 25 years not out

    The Grand Prix for many has always marked the true start of the season.

    Even when ITV used to show a tournament in September, the first BBC event of the campaign was regarded as that extra bit more special.

    It certainly used to be when Rothmans were the sponsors and it was held at the Hexagon in Reading.

    When they pulled out, it did lose a bit of prestige and this was exacerbated by moving the event around the country. The Kelvin Hall in Glasgow is it's eighth venue since it left Reading (there will not be a prize for all those who can name the other seven).

    For all this, the Grand Prix is the second longest running ranking event. (Before you call me every name under the sun, yes the UK Championship began in 1977 but it did not carry ranking points until 1984, a couple of months after Dennis Taylor won the first Grand Prix.)

    The tournament has been responsible for a number of memorable moments - Stephen Hendry winning at 18, Rex Williams in the final at 53, Steve Davis whitewashing Dean Reynolds in the final, Chris Small capturing the title (when it was the LG Cup) against all odds and John Higgins making four successive centuries and amassing 494 points without reply against Ronnie O'Sullivan.

    My personal highlight came at Preston Guild Hall six or seven years ago. As anyone who has been to the venue will know, you enter through a shopping centre and up some escalators where autograph hunters tend to hang out.

    One day, I made my way towards the lift and realised that said autograph hunters were sizing me up, deciding if I was a player or not.

    After a moment or two of deliberation one of them turned to his mate and said, 'nah, don't bother with him, he's a nobody.'

    Written off in Preston. The poignancy of it all was almost too much to bear.

    One year the Harold Shipman trial was taking place in the court over the road and we journalists, faced with some dirge dragging on into the early hours, speculated that the not so good doctor may be sentenced to spending a day at the snooker.

    When the Grand Prix moved to Aberdeen, the crazy decision was taken to make it a round robin event. The format confused everyone, not least the players. Mark King booked a flight home believing he was out but discovered he was still in and went on to reach the semi-finals.

    Thankfully, this was scrapped last year in favour of a random draw, which has added some spice to proceedings.

    All the predictions of the big names crashing out early proved to be without substance: three of the four semi-finalists were ranked in the top eight.

    Crowds were good at the SECC last year and will hopefully be strong again across the city for this season's staging.

    Scotland has long been a snooker nation, even in the days when it didn't have any top players. Now, it has several and is hosting one of the green baize game's longest running events.

    The Grand Prix has never been regarded in the same way as the big three - the world, UK and Masters - but has played its own part in the snooker story and, 25 years since it was first held, is still a much sought after prize.



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    I used to have the same opinion that the Grand Prix was the true start of that season.

    Part of that feeling was because it used it have a round robin format in round 1, which was a good showcase of players.

    I can understand why this format is no more, but saying it was a crazy idea and that it confused anyone is just laughable at minimum.

    Round robins exist everywhere and are present in almost every major sports competition. It’s not a crazy idea and it’s not something to be scraped just because some player can’t do his math.

    In fact, round robin is a fairer format and should be a regular thing, not an exception.

    Regarding the new random draw thing, it doesn’t bother me they using it to pair the qualifiers with the top 16, but I don’t like the way it’s used freely from round 2. I don’t know what players ranked 9-16 have done to deserve a chance of avoiding a top 8 player and having a better chance to move forward.

    To me, this is something that mocks the ranking system and adds more aberrations to a system that is already far from being perfect.
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    • #3
      Originally Posted by Migtsf View Post
      Part of that feeling was because it used it have a round robin format in round 1, which was a good showcase of players.
      part of that feeling started in 2006 ? and only ran for two seasons.

      before then it was a knockout tournament.

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      • #4
        I totally agree with Mig here. Round robin is the fairest of all formats and it's a shame it has been scrapped. Some players didn't like it ... especially those crashing out, but then, they had only themselves to blame.
        The current random draw is an aberration in my eyes. It defeats the ranking logic and I'm not too keen of seen ia ROS vs Higgins clash in round 2, while we could have some very low profle matches also. (as an example). I think it's unfair on the players and I don't see where the "excitement" is.
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        • #5
          Originally Posted by Monique View Post
          I totally agree with Mig here. Round robin is the fairest of all formats and it's a shame it has been scrapped. Some players didn't like it ... especially those crashing out, but then, they had only themselves to blame.
          The current random draw is an aberration in my eyes. It defeats the ranking logic and I'm not too keen of seen ia ROS vs Higgins clash in round 2, while we could have some very low profle matches also. (as an example). I think it's unfair on the players and I don't see where the "excitement" is.
          the excitement is that its random and anything can happen
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          • #6
            Originally Posted by superaussie View Post
            the excitement is that its random and anything can happen
            Well I'm not excited, sorry!
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            • #7
              Yes, I agree with superaussie - A random draw is exciting and something to look forward to - I always look forward to the WC 1st rd draw and also the FA Cup, the draw is a showpiece. You could of course have two big names meeting early on, but in general the big names still get through (just look at virtually all FA Cup finals in last twenty years (bar Portsmouth Cardiff)

              I agree, it shouldn't happen in all events, but over the years they have had a random draw here and there (the British Open I think had it in late 80s)

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              • #8
                both formats has a place in the game...

                no need to choose 1 over the other.

                i would defiantly bring back a round Robin format to a Ranking tournament but award for frames won to stop this dead frames scenario whitch was a pain.

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                • #9
                  They had the random draw in the 1990 Pearl Assurance Open i believe and it gave the tournament a kind of edge to it. Though i agree i wouldn't it to become a regular fixture at all tournaments now or at anytime in the future..
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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
                    both formats has a place in the game...

                    no need to choose 1 over the other.

                    i would defiantly bring back a round Robin format to a Ranking tournament but award for frames won to stop this dead frames scenario whitch was a pain.
                    There were different ranking points to be earned in the GP depending where in the round-robin table you ended. The lower in the table, the lower the points. So there were actually no dead matches or very few.
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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
                      part of that feeling started in 2006 ? and only ran for two seasons.

                      before then it was a knockout tournament.
                      My point was you had 48 players competing in round 1 proper and each and everyone played at least 5 matches. That allowed the viewers a chance to see more faces they usually wouldn’t see in a standard knock-out format.

                      It was a way of WSA saying: “Here’s what we’ve got for you snooker fans this season”.

                      It was a big show and the name Grand Prix fitted perfectly. Now, perhaps a more suitable name would be Random Prix.
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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by Migtsf View Post
                        My point was you had 48 players competing in round 1 proper and each and everyone played at least 5 matches. That allowed the viewers a chance to see more faces they usually wouldn’t see in a standard knock-out format.

                        It was a way of WSA saying: “Here’s what we’ve got for you snooker fans this season”.

                        It was a big show and the name Grand Prix fitted perfectly. Now, perhaps a more suitable name would be Random Prix.
                        have to disagree from what i remeber when it was a 48 man event alot of the early matches were in cubicles and were not shown so the unknown players were not likely to be on tv tables anyway.

                        Where as now players like selty and joyce are guaranteed to be on a tv table
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                        • #13
                          All matches were staged at the final venue, not in Prestatyn. Lower ranked players had more visibility there, and also had more chances of appearing on television.
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                          • #14
                            Originally Posted by Monique View Post
                            There were different ranking points to be earned in the GP depending where in the round-robin table you ended. The lower in the table, the lower the points. So there were actually no dead matches or very few.
                            well if you went to the final match with no wins you was there to make up the numbers knowing im last ill get points so ill sit here for a while before going home. if there was something at stake in winning frames in the last game it would give a edge to it and stop players taking the atetute nothing to gain or lose.

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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by Migtsf View Post
                              All matches were staged at the final venue, not in Prestatyn. Lower ranked players had more visibility there, and also had more chances of appearing on television.
                              No, no, there was qualification round for the Grand prix at Prestatyn too... But I actually liked round robin at Grand prix, it was very very interesting for the spectators, maybe not for players. I saw a lot of matches, a lot of different players, what else a snooker fan could wish for? Although, when matches were played on 6 tables at the same time, it could be the more popular players getting all attention and the lower ranked players playing in front of one or two, or no spectators at all..
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