Ssb - oneforseven launched

[twentytwo]

I agree with Guru - this is not trying to hijack the Crucible!

As far as the sport v entertainment argument! The current crowd at snooker matches is more like theatre (entertainment) than darts, cricket, tennis, golf (clearly sport) - so Mig is kind of arguing against themselves.

And anyway, why look at it so extreme - it doesnt say that the crowd has to be noisy - it looks like the open-plan arena the players will distract each other nealry all of the players practice day in day out in clubs where it is far from silent.

I have never heard a player say that they need silence - it has just been assumed! If ONEFORSEVEN tries it and the players dont like it - they wont play and it will fall on its arse! My guess is that most players will like the change!

[SnookerGuru]

It isn't as if anyone is saying "let's have pub atmosphere in the big 3"

All I am saying is: Let us atleast TRY this out. Have a few shot clock events, a proper league, start off with a few none ranking events and then progress to a few that ARE ranking.

Have a full diverse field, Cricket adopted 20/20, which is STILL cricket. What snooker did was create super 6, which is NO LONGER snooker.

Shot clock tests a different part of a player. Afterall a player can deliberately grind in a normal match, is this fair on faster players? No.

What we need is the usual big 3 to stay the same, and for other events to have much different ways of handling an event. From shot clocks, to pub atmosphere, to mixed doubles (bring in the female game), to international.

Things need to be tried, or will the traditionalists around here keep moaning on and on until we are left with 2 ranking events and the masters?

Will that be good for snooker?

[twentytwo]

It isn't as if anyone is saying "let's have pub atmosphere in the big 3"

All I am saying is: Let us atleast TRY this out. Have a few shot clock events, a proper league, start off with a few none ranking events and then progress to a few that ARE ranking.

Have a full diverse field, Cricket adopted 20/20, which is STILL cricket. What snooker did was create super 6, which is NO LONGER snooker.

Shot clock tests a different part of a player. Afterall a player can deliberately grind in a normal match, is this fair on faster players? No.

What we need is the usual big 3 to stay the same, and for other events to have much different ways of handling an event. From shot clocks, to pub atmosphere, to mixed doubles (bring in the female game), to international.

Things need to be tried, or will the traditionalists around here keep moaning on and on until we are left with 2 ranking events and the masters?

Will that be good for snooker?

Spot On Guru! Change is as good as a rest and all that! We would all still be living in caves if some on here had their way, although maybe they are!!!???

I can't see anything about a shot clock in Oneforseven? Is there one?

[RGCirencester]

cani just add that higgins himself said in the interview ferret did during the grand prix that he would like to see different events. Doubles, timed or whatever. Atm you can basically predict who your going to play in every tournament (except the random draw in the grand prix). Ok this is not the salvation of snooker, and it shouldnot and is not trying to replace the traditional events, but it adds something to the calendar and if the players and fans like it then great. If they don't it will fade away.

[ja.]

so if a frame is going slow, will there be an annoying beep at the end of 21st min like in prem league? and if a player hits the kyoo ball at a slow pace at 20 mins 59 seconds and the object ball drops into the pocket at 21 min 01 second, does it count or not?

[SnookerGuru]

Spot On Guru! Change is as good as a rest and all that! We would all still be living in caves if some on here had their way, although maybe they are!!!???

I can't see anything about a shot clock in Oneforseven? Is there one?

If you look at walker, it is obvious he hasn't a clue about todays fan. Way too old. Oneforseven is just another silly gimmick imho. What we need is change to real events and added events, not events which have nothing to do with the main tour. It is just a rather rubbish appeasement that I will not accept and nor will most others.

[wildJONESEYE]

what im saying is does snooker want to be seen as a trend follower or trend setter at the moment every knee jerk is about copeing other sports because theres no vision inside the game.

build the core of the sport back up first before all these panick messures to try and popularise a popular sport sorry but its ridiculous.

i care with a passion for snooker and all im seing is panick from fans and more worrieng the WSA wanting to change the sport in some way or other.

I Said i was dropping it but ideas is getting madder and madder on here total panick.

[montoya10]

what im saying is does snooker want to be seen as a trend follower or trend setter at the moment every knee jerk is about copeing other sports because theres no vision inside the game.

build the core of the sport back up first before all these panick messures to try and popularise a popular sport sorry but its ridiculous.

i care with a passion for snooker and all im seing is panick from fans and more worrieng the WSA wanting to change the sport in some way or other.

I Said i was dropping it but ideas is getting madder and madder on here total panick.

Don't get me wrong, but I just can't understand what is building the core of the sport back up? How is it going to be done?

[wildJONESEYE]

mate

ive tryed to explain inventing another format is the equivelant to papering over the cracks with wallpaper.

these messures are good adition to the sport if they done properly but at the moment they are seen as some sort of saviour of snooker to get more fans involved and in the meenwhile at wsa headquarters the board are counting up theire cash and putting in theire pockets patting each other on the back thinking they doing a good job for the game....

its a white elephant to try and kid people whats happening is good its not good far from it.....theres all these mini tournaments getting off the ground with 6 reds onefourseven whatever but only 7 main tour tournaments.....why because the WSA are wasting time and effort developing 6 red tournaments instead of concentrating on getting sponsors and more ranking tournament.

[wildJONESEYE]

anyway ive had my say do with my opinion what you want.

[montoya10]

mate

ive tryed to explain inventing another format is the equivelant to papering over the cracks with wallpaper.

these messures are good adition to the sport if they done properly but at the moment they are seen as some sort of saviour of snooker to get more fans involved and in the meenwhile at wsa headquarters the board are counting up theire cash and putting in theire pockets patting each other on the back thinking they doing a good job for the game....

its a white elephant to try and kid people whats happening is good its not good far from it.....theres all these mini tournaments getting off the ground with 6 reds onefourseven whatever but only 7 main tour tournaments.....why because the WSA are wasting time and effort developing 6 red tournaments instead of concentrating on getting sponsors and more ranking tournament.

I don't think these new tournaments can be implemented to the current calendar. But I disagree with you that it's just down to getting more tournaments in a season, see what happpened in Bahrain last year. The hard work is not organizing an event, it is promoting the event well. Clearly,there should be an effort to get sponsorship, but I don't know what's happening inside the association. Still, we have a common point, I suppose, I really don't like the idea that we're into second third of the season so quickly..

[Odrl]

I can't remember the last time I disagreed with a post this much...

It isn't as if anyone is saying "let's have pub atmosphere in the big 3"

All I am saying is: Let us atleast TRY this out. Have a few shot clock events, a proper league, start off with a few none ranking events and then progress to a few that ARE ranking.

Now, this is not what is happening here. An organization that is completely independet form the WSA is organizing an event with its own format and set of rules, and no one has the right to tell them they can't do it. But if it was the WSA organizing this, with the long term plan to introduce these formats to the ranking tournaments, this should be stopped immediately! It would mean the end of snooker as we know it, and it must never ever EVER happen!

Shot clock tests a different part of a player. Afterall a player can deliberately grind in a normal match, is this fair on faster players? No.

Well, snooker is a sport where the two players don't really interact directly. How one player goes about his turn at the table should have no effect on the other. The only thing that affects the other player is the situation on the table when his turn starts. If one player plays at a slower pace, there is no reason for the other player to do the same. But in a shot clock format, both players are forced to play at a fast pace. As for deliberate time wasting, there is already a rule against that.

What we need is the usual big 3 to stay the same, and for other events to have much different ways of handling an event. From shot clocks, to pub atmosphere, to mixed doubles (bring in the female game), to international.

I agree with wildJONESEYE here. What we need is 9 or 10 proper events first, then we can start thinking about other "fun" events on top of that.

Things need to be tried, or will the traditionalists around here keep moaning on and on until we are left with 2 ranking events and the masters?

Will that be good for snooker?

I'll still keep moaning if we are left with 2 ranking events, the Masters, and 20 6-reds, shot clock, and onefourseven events. That would make it 3 snooker events, and 20 events I wouldn't care about.

Spot On Guru! Change is as good as a rest and all that! We would all still be living in caves if some on here had their way, although maybe they are!!!???

And what you call "change" in this case, I call "decadence".

[SnookerGuru]

And what you call "change" in this case, I call "decadence".

Basically, you are another who wants no change but expects results....

[Odrl]

Basically, you are another who wants no change but expects results....

Not at all, I think a lot of things could or should be changed. But the game itself, at least the "on table" part is not one of them.

This little quote applies perfectly here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Y

[leeroygor]

anyway ive had my say do with my opinion what you want.

Wild, do you play?