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  • Ssb - is the world championship too long?

    The simple answer to that question would be ‘no’ but that doesn’t fill up half a page on the internet.

    John Higgins recently told STV in Scotland that he thinks there is an argument for reducing the world final to a single day.

    Ronnie O’Sullivan said this year that ‘if we can’t play for an hour and find out who is the best then there’s something wrong.’

    When 110sport announced their breakaway tour ten years ago I remember Stephen Hendry saying he thought the World Championship should last 12 days and no longer.

    These three great champions have more than earned their right to hold an opinion on this and are worth listening to but I suspect snooker fans may not agree with them.

    Let’s take Higgins’s comments. If the world final were reduced then it logically follows that all the other matches would have to be as well, leading to a shorter World Championship.

    Times change. Maybe people today prefer a ‘quick fix’ than to sit for hours following sport but the fact remains that snooker, and the World Championship in particular, pulls in viewers because it provides absorbing drama, and this by its very nature is slow burning.

    Admittedly, it can sometimes be so slow burning that it almost gets extinguished altogether but the 17 day marathon provides exactly what it should: the ultimate test of a snooker player.

    But is 17 days really that much more of a test than, say, 14 days? After all, the World Championship is longer than the Olympics and every major annual sporting event outside of the Tour de France.

    Well, if the BBC wants to show 17 days of continuous snooker then I’m certainly not going to talk them out of it.

    In truth, some of the matches are too long. The first round would be better as best of 17 frames because this would reduce pull-offs and late finishes. The semi-finals seem to go on forever.

    But this format has basically worked for the last three decades and I wouldn’t advocate changing it.

    The longer matches provide more subplots and greater drama. This is why six reds, shot clocks et al will never replace the traditional game, even if they do have their place on the fringes of the sport.

    Of course, the old sweats from the 1940s and 50s would look down their noses at the notion that today’s World Championship is long at all. In 1948, Fred Davis won the title by beating Walter Donaldson 84-61.

    These days you can afford to have a bad session. Back then you could afford to have a bad week.

    Society changes and with it so does television. Snooker needs to change as well but its major event is fine as it is. It’s a showpiece occasion that puts snooker front and central for a fortnight every spring.

    Snooker’s problem is not the World Championship, it’s the low profile most of the other tournaments have.

    This is why I would go along with format alterations for other ranking events. I find it absurd that in finals players play for eight frames, everyone goes away for three hours with nothing to do and then they come back to finish off.

    This doesn’t happen in any other sport I can think of.

    The Premier League play best of 13 frames right through in one session. This would be better for the likes of the Grand Prix and Welsh Open. You could start at 5 or 6pm and there’s half a chance the audience could get home before turning into pumpkins.

    Traditionalists will howl in protest and disbelief that anyone could conceive of changing anything.

    Well, when it comes to the World Championship I would agree with them. When it comes to everything else I’d say there is a very strong case to look again, including getting rid of intervals.

    All this doesn’t mean reducing every tournament to a lottery but snooker has to reach out to casual sports fans as well as its own diehard constituency. Balancing the needs of both isn’t easy but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t try.

    In any case, television will ultimately decide. What they want is what snooker will have to accept because, without TV, the professional game will be back to where it was in the 1950s.

    Still, in that scenario we could always go back to three week world finals...


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  • #2
    players should play and stop being bloody idiots.

    they talk crap most of the time and this is no exception.

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    • #3
      You will always get mixed views regardless. It comes down to opinion. We as snooker players and fans are happy to watch and enjoy - the longer the better IMO. But....if over shorter frames then this will effect the outcome, how many times has someone come back from large deficit to win which would not have been possible otherwise. This is the championship of the world and the premier event and should be over longer format. I wonder how the list of champions or the number of worlds won would look if final was first to say 11? In saying all that if this is whats needed to bolster snooker interest, which I guess is the reason for suggesting a reduced format, and it works then great.

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by MySockPuppet View Post
        After all, the World Championship is longer than the Olympics and every major annual sporting event outside of the Tour de France.
        Did you just make that up, David? There are two other major events in cycling alone that are the same length as the Tour de France.


        But no, of course the World Championship is not too long. It's at the shortest acceptable length for the most prestigious event of the year. And it's not exactly struggling with attendances, is it? The business end of the tournament is sold out, while the TV audience is increasing in most places.

        The type of person that enjoys snooker is usually someone who doesn't mind long and slow-paced entertainment anyway, because that is essentially what snooker is all about. I'm all for trying to get more people interested, but don't take the current audience for granted.

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        • #5
          HI Snooker players around the World. If the World Snooker Championships were to be reduced in frames you would see an ordinary player sneek in and beat a very good player in the top 16 such as Osullivan Higgins Maguire Murphy Hendry etc.

          In a short run any player can beat the top player however in a longer match the better player would win

          I do not mind watching snooker as it is today the longer the better cheers Leonard from Canada

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by Odrl View Post
            The business end of the tournament is sold out, while the TV audience is increasing in most places.
            Except in the UK, where audiences are steadily declining, as per BARB audience figures I quoted on another topic a couple of weeks back.

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
              Except in the UK, where audiences are steadily declining, as per BARB audience figures I quoted on another topic a couple of weeks back.
              Yes and just because of that: audience is growing outside UK and declining in UK it's maybe time for Brits to accept that a Monday finish isn't what we need. There is not such thing as Bank holiday in mainland Europe and China. And the final sessions starting as late as 8pm UK time are nonsense as the biggest audience is one, two or more hours ahead of that time. I must say that after 17 day of the Crucible with less than 5 hours sleep each night I'm knackered and that this is no option for kids going to school!
              Proud winner of the 2008 Bahrain Championship Lucky Dip
              http://ronnieosullivan.tv/forum/index.php

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by the montrealer View Post
                HI Snooker players around the World. If the World Snooker Championships were to be reduced in frames you would see an ordinary player sneek in and beat a very good player in the top 16 such as Osullivan Higgins Maguire Murphy Hendry etc.

                In a short run any player can beat the top player however in a longer match the better player would win

                I do not mind watching snooker as it is today the longer the better cheers Leonard from Canada
                Would Dennis Taylor be World Champion over 19 frames would we have had that great Doherty comeback over Hunter over 19 frames no we wouldnt....

                snooker will die if these idiots gets their way and i for one wouldnt mind it dying. i want a sport not a entertainment crap thats inspired by the likes of Cowell and co

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                • #9
                  I dont think too much needs changing to the World Championship as it is - the 8pm starts for the final are definately rediculous though!

                  I agree that the first round could maybe be cut to best-of-17 to ease congestion and there's a good case for the semi's to be cut to 2 days.

                  I dont think you could/should cut the tournament by more than a day or two though.
                  I Love Snook!

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by kellie-text View Post
                    I dont think too much needs changing to the World Championship as it is - the 8pm starts for the final are definately rediculous though!

                    I agree that the first round could maybe be cut to best-of-17 to ease congestion and there's a good case for the semi's to be cut to 2 days.

                    I dont think you could/should cut the tournament by more than a day or two though.
                    why as snooker fans do you want less snooker ?????????????

                    i don't get this wanting to have less snooker crap ???

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
                      why as snooker fans do you want less snooker ?????????????

                      i don't get this wanting to have less snooker crap ???
                      Trust me, i dont want less snooker! Anyone that knows me will tell you that.

                      All i mean is that maybe the semi's do drag on a bit for the neutral fan and perhaps that could me made SLIGHTLY shorter.
                      I Love Snook!

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by kellie-text View Post
                        Trust me, i dont want less snooker! Anyone that knows me will tell you that.

                        All i mean is that maybe the semi's do drag on a bit for the neutral fan and perhaps that could me made SLIGHTLY shorter.
                        Hunter v Doherty what a match that was.

                        some of the greatest matches ever played been at the crucible over the longer formats.

                        BTW i wasn't singling you out i was just asking the question why would snooker fans want less snooker im in shock thinking i want more not less.

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                        • #13
                          ok nobody with a answer to a simple question .....

                          ill ask it again but different

                          why do people who supposedly likes snooker want matches shortened ?

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                          • #14
                            Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
                            ok nobody with a answer to a simple question .....

                            ill ask it again but different

                            why do people who supposedly likes snooker want matches shortened ?
                            Who told you that this it what they want? Do you EVER read or listen properly Wild and actually consider what people write before getting angry and going ... well Wild ?
                            I wrote on another forum that I would RATHER watch shorter matches than having snooker being axed off television which would certainly mean its death. At least, as long as it is broadcasted it has the opportunity to redevelop itself.
                            Dave above is not advocating for a shorter WC but acknowledges the need for changes in other tournaments in order to attract a broader and different audience, possibly younger and he is right.
                            And before branding John Higgins an idiot I would rather like to ask him WHY he things that way. After all it's his job and it has been his life for 17 years. I think the least he deserves is a chance to explain his views.

                            And sure we have had the Doherty vs Hunter match ... we also have had our share of one sided finals where both players were struggling to stay awake and in the end were embarassed with their performances. Not all long matches build up tension, far from it.

                            Just to highlight that it's rarely all black and white...
                            Proud winner of the 2008 Bahrain Championship Lucky Dip
                            http://ronnieosullivan.tv/forum/index.php

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                            • #15
                              monique

                              people who don't should tell Higgins to shut the hell up and move on with trying to make matches longer not shorter not entertain all his pathetic whims.

                              its black and white for me

                              people like snooker wants longer matches people who don't want them shorter it really is that simple.

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