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  • #76
    If Mooney had 3 previous meetings with the NOTW in Scotland, or wherever, i'm sure in these conversations it was talked about in great length, what they wanted Higgins to do, and Mooney has agreed with that.

    If that is the case, Mooney must have told Higgings what the score is and he has then agreed to go to the Ukraine with Mooney to discuss how much, when and how. I cannot believe Mooney just took Higgins to Kiev for a meeting about the World Series they run, and then the undercover Journalists just blurted out, by the way John, are you up for throwing a few frames for a few hundred grand.

    Obviously Higgins would of been well informed by his manager, what the reason of going to the Ukraine was for, and so he is therefore as Guilty as S---E for even going out there to even talk about it. So just on the principle that he was willing to discuss such underhand tactics, makes him as Guilty as S---E in my book. If a sportsman is whiter than white, they would not even contemplate discussing anything illegal, come on.

    Why would Higgins leave himself wide open and vulnerable to possible hidden cameras and microphones, in a hotel room in Ukraine if he was the pure whiter than white player he is made out to be, to discuss throwing snooker frames.

    The reason is, because of pure Greed. No matter how much money these people have, if they have a chance of making a few hundred grand without the knowledge of the taxman, the weaker people will fall prey, simple as that. Its a shame, because i would say that Higgins is the best loved snooker player in the world, with millions who look up to him as a player, good sportsman, a loving, loyal family man etc, but if this is proven, it will be devastating for snooker, even more horrific for Higgins and his family, and for Higgings himself, only ever being remembered for this in his career instead of the great player he is/was.

    But at the end of the day, as Hearn has said, we want the cancer out of the game, and if that means that our Number 1 player, a person who nobody would of ever thought possible of doing something like this, would go to these depths, and put his family and Snooker through the worse ever crisis it will go through, Then we don't want Higgins in the game.

    As much as we have all loved him as a player, whatever crappy excuses he is going to come out with, and whatever underhand tactics were played by the gutter press, he has still attended a meeting in the Ukrain knowing what was going on. That is enough guilt in itself to Ban Higgins for life i'm afraid. Whatever you think, he was willing to discuss this, it was his choice, he didn't have to go, (unless the mafia had held is wife and family hostage, or threatened their lives, but then you would of thought undercover police, security etc would of been involved which we have not heard of yet) but he chose to go with his dodgy manager, to see what was in it for him.

    If world snooker come back with a decision that favours Higgins, how will you ever believe them. Higgins is tarnished for life now, know matter what the outcome. Whatever decision they come to will not be a good one either way for Snooker. Snooker needed Higgins, without him it will be a worse off, but if he is damaged goods, then good riddance!!

    One more thing, there are many people and players that know what Higgins done in the Grand prix, round robins to help Macmanus. He claims he has never done nothing dodgy in a match before, thats just one instance, how many more that we don't know of, and thats John Higgins. We then have the Ebdon/Wenbo scenario, people in the game know what happened there as well, Maguire/Burnett, how many more. This needs to be stopped now because these greedy gits are ruining it for every decent player. The trouble is getting witnesses to come forward and the proof. Because how can you 100% actually prove that a player misses a ball on purpose, its impossible. But when evidence is on video of players talking about throwing matches or frames, thats completely different!!!!!! Shocking but true!
    Last edited by madman; 3 May 2010, 12:55 PM.

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    • #77
      and if you are setting up a sponsor meeting you'd check out your potential client thoroughly first, it's called due diligence, any potential large financial transaction should be subject to sarbane oxley rules, and money laundering checks before proceeding with a business meeting, thats good business sense, you can't do that sort of background check in 3 days and by looking at someones website, that's just financial incompetence. Thats also why timing is an issue.

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      • #78
        "If Mooney had 3 previous meetings with the NOTW in Scotland, or wherever, i'm sure in these conversations it was talked about in great length, what they wanted Higgins to do, and Mooney has agreed with that.

        If that is the case, Mooney must have told Higgings what the score is and he has then agreed to go to the Ukraine with Mooney to discuss how much, when and how."


        EXACTLY

        and what is worrying is the when and how, if Higgins was booked on a flight to Kiev for Friday and that ticket was booked before the world championship he MUST have thrown the davis game to be able to attend....

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        • #79
          and what is worrying is the when and how, if Higgins was booked on a flight to Kiev for Friday and that ticket was booked before the world championship he MUST have thrown the davis game to be able to attend....

          Well, thats to be checked out yet, but if it was proven, well, that would be the final nail in the coffin for him i would imagine. The trouble is, until we have had the investigation, everybody is going to just make more wild allegations.

          The sooner this is dealt with, the better.

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          • #80
            Originally Posted by ore View Post
            where would NOTW get info about the player(s) interested in match fixing?
            There are/have been rumours about certain players, one of the them being John Higgins... I'm sure they didn't pick him by chance.

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            • #81
              Originally Posted by merlin1234 View Post
              or maybe these russian mafia types are cleverer than we're giving them credit for...

              first they arrange to have Higgins falsely set up by the NOTW, then they put vast amounts of money on a bet that Higgins is actually innocent and then when the truth comes out they rake in the cash!!!!!

              ok, not likely perhaps but it makes a lot more sense than the Higgins/Mooney explanation
              the jh pm explaination is so bad is might be true!
              https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/adr147

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              • #82
                Originally Posted by hegeland View Post
                There are/have been rumours about certain players, one of the them being John Higgins... I'm sure they didn't pick him by chance.
                no they picked him because of his image and profile.
                https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/adr147

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                • #83
                  If Higgins is guilty of that offence he can expect a similarly harsh penalty, and he and his manager, Pat Mooney - until yesterday a World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association board member - could also be penalised for failing to report the approach to the governing body.

                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...legations.html



                  So Mooney could be held to account for simply not mentioning that he was approached...

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                  • #84
                    The thing is, I've heard Mooney is saying they were just talking about exhibition matches between top players and talented locals to try and raise the profile of snooker in the area, and that basically this is about ensuring the locals don't just get thrashed 5-0 every time like they almost certainly would with someone like Higgins playing seriously.

                    I'd love to think that's really what is at the root of this, but I just can't fit the references to hiding large sums of cash and to Higgins throwing frames against other known players (assuming the blanked out names in the NOTW aren't just local players that Higgins/Mooney happen to know about. Wouldn't surprise me if the NOTW was pulling a fast one by blanking the names to hide the fact that they aren't other well known players rather than the reverse).

                    Does the video evidence conclusively demonstrate that Mooney/Higgins knew the money offered was connected to betting scams? That's a smoking gun in this context regardless of what type of match/player is involved.

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                    • #85
                      Hi guys, I've just recently joined and thought I'd give my in put on the matter.
                      When this was announced obviously I was gob smacked. Always admired Higgins and what he has done for the game and he is a fantastic player but I have to say I think he is trying to cover his back now. I just think the money being offered to him was probably a bit too tempting for something he thought he was going to get away with.

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                      • #86
                        I cannot believe it of John does he need the money? I do not think so, the NOTW are renound for stunts like this , IT CANNOT BE TUE!!!!!

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                        • #87
                          Originally Posted by stephen povey View Post
                          I cannot believe it of John does he need the money?
                          It would take people like Tiger Woods and Bill Gates not to think of £300K as a huge sum of money. Higgins is a very wealthy man, but it's still big money for him.

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                          • #88
                            Yea, 300K is still a lot. That's more than he'd get for winning the World title.

                            He just doesn't look anxious at all in that video. Look how relaxed he is.

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                            • #89
                              Originally Posted by hegeland View Post
                              It would take people like Tiger Woods and Bill Gates not to think of £300K as a huge sum of money. Higgins is a very wealthy man, but it's still big money for him.
                              All true.
                              However, if you look at the world credit situation...
                              precious few at any income-level live within their actual means.
                              Ok. Bill Gates probably.
                              But I can easily imagine John "needing" extra cash.



                              =o(

                              Noel

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                              • #90
                                mooneys explanation
                                http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/s...6908-22230082/

                                still doesnt explain why he didnt tell anyone about it when he got back asap

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