Ssb - fears grow for alex higgins

[Monique]

I don't see why fellow snooker players should help Alex Higgins unless they want to. Some of them have tried in the past, but Alex isn't easy to help. More often than not he's ruined the efforts and exhausted the patience of those who tried.
He's in a terrible state and he should be helped; any human person in such debilitated state should be helped. I'm not sure about this campaign about implants though: putting a full denture of implants in place requires heavy surgery, total anaesthesia, solid bones and perfect buccal hygiene. Also healing takes time and even if all goes well you have to expect at least a delay of 6 months before Alex could start eating properly. I can't see him able to go through that in the state he is.
He should be checked in hospital and taken care of with appropriate care and fortifying diet, but again I doubt he would accept the constraints. And above all that money, if it is gathered, should not be given to him; if he gets his hands on it, so you can be sure it will disappear in betting and guiness in no time at all...

[wildJONESEYE]

why on earth should a current top player who is earning good money and saving it for the future put his hand in his pocket for somebody who has squandered and gambled their huge fortune away

without him they would be in a dead end job earning dead end wages.

thats fact every player today owes him their livelihood im not saying they should do it thats their decision but Alex Higgins is the reason they are earning good money and saving it for the future.

[rambon]

without him they would be in a dead end job earning dead end wages.

thats fact every player today owes him their livelihood im not saying they should do it thats their decision but Alex Higgins is the reason they are earning good money and saving it for the future.

Whatever you do, don't go exaggerating his influence just to prove a point.

He is one of a number of people who brought the game to the level it is at today.

How many times do people need telling this before they finally understand that Higgins is not the ONLY reason that snooker is what it is.

That last line of yours is an absolute load of claptrap (with respect)

[beechy1212]

without him they would be in a dead end job earning dead end wages.

thats fact every player today owes him their livelihood im not saying they should do it thats their decision but Alex Higgins is the reason they are earning good money and saving it for the future.

Sorry but this is wrong. Higgins played a big part in making Snooker as popular as it is (was) but so did a lot of other players. You are demeaning the roles played by other top players of his era.

It doesn't surprise me that the only people that i've seen helping Higgins out, is Jimmy White, who was also pictured with Virgo and Knowles. Snooker is yet another example where modern sportsman are so far up their own arse and are selfish, that they couldn't give a toss about anyone else who have helped them along the way. Just look at how many ******s are playing at the highest level in Football. Theres something seriously wrong with the modern sportsman and it makes you feel sick to the stomach seeing how some behave.

Well done to White, Virgo and Knowles. Neither can earn as much as the top pro's but they still give their time to help out a human being that's desperate for help, without coming out with excuses. Apologies if i've missed off any names, i'm sure there has been a few more that's helped out.

Alex Higgins deserves some much needed help. He needs to help himself of course but this legend and genius is desperate. I think everyone should just put aside his past mis-demeanors and have a heart. As for the new crop of players, hows about starting to do a little bit to help. It doesn't cost much.

[Nugget]

without him they would be in a dead end job earning dead end wages.

thats fact every player today owes him their livelihood im not saying they should do it thats their decision but Alex Higgins is the reason they are earning good money and saving it for the future.

Without Joe Davis professional snooker may never have existed, but I doubt Higgins sent him a cheque. Today's snooker players do not owe Alex anything. He helped popularize the game, but do you think he did this with anyone other than himself in mind? The players today didn't ask Alex for anything, they shouldn't be expected to pay him for anything.

Is Higgins still smoking? Is he still drinking? He was an incredible player, great to watch, but you can't expect others to help him if he won't help himself. And to the people saying that you shouldn't say anything bad about Alex because he's ill - what difference does that make? No one is saying they're glad he is the way he is, just that he orchestrated his own downfall for the most part and that any contribution made to Higgins is made out of generosity, and not the repaying of a debt. Higgins isn't being persecuted because his name was drawn out of a hat. It's clear he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way over the years.

[wildJONESEYE]

im not proving any point im stating facts you can pussy foot around thinking rubbish if you want but he was the guy that made jimmy white take up snooker thats not made up that is fact and then from there came Hendry,Ronnie etc

Barry Hearn never managed Higgins but ask him who was the driving force and he will say Alex Higgins.

his influence was much more than anything else in snooker.

[wildJONESEYE]

Without Joe Davis professional snooker may never have existed, but I doubt Higgins sent him a cheque. Today's snooker players do not owe Alex anything. He helped popularize the game, but do you think he did this with anyone other than himself in mind? The players today didn't ask Alex for anything, they shouldn't be expected to pay him for anything.

Is Higgins still smoking? Is he still drinking? He was an incredible player, great to watch, but you can't expect others to help him if he won't help himself. And to the people saying that you shouldn't say anything bad about Alex because he's ill - what difference does that make? No one is saying they're glad he is the way he is, just that he orchestrated his own downfall for the most part and that any contribution made to Higgins is made out of generosity, and not the repaying of a debt. Higgins isn't being persecuted because his name was drawn out of a hat. It's clear he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way over the years.

it took joe Davis 40 years before a world championship match was shown on TV it took Alex Higgins 1 year 1973 was the year.

Joe Davis was the architect Alex Higgins was the builder that build it up.

[rambon]

im not proving any point im stating facts you can pussy foot around thinking rubbish if you want but he was the guy that made jimmy white take up snooker thats not made up that is fact and then from there came Hendry,Ronnie etc

Barry Hearn never managed Higgins but ask him who was the driving force and he will say Alex Higgins.

his influence was much more than anything else in snooker.

Sorry but these aren't facts. I've never seen or heard Hendry list Higgins as an influence, nor has he cited Jimmy White.

You're creating stuff to support your argument and a lot of it is far from factual.

You've already toned your argument down from Higgins being "the reason" to him being "the driving force". I think you'll eventually (grudgingly) realise (though probably not publically) that Higgins was merely one of many who had an important role in creating the game that exists today.

I've had enough of this bickering to be honest though. I've said my bit, and don't want to bore people by repeatedly highlighting flaws in the argument when to me and most others who replied to your last post, the true situation is clear.

[noel]

One important point.

Giving to help the needy is not as much about them as it is about you.



=o|

Noel

[wildJONESEYE]

Jimmy White was Hendrys' Boyhood Hero didnt you know that ?

then when he started playing he looked up to Davis because Davis was a Winner .

god i cant believe a snooker fan never knew that ?

[rambon]

Jimmy White was Hendrys' Boyhood Hero didnt you know that ?

then when he started playing he looked up to Davis because Davis was a Winner .

god i cant believe a snooker fan never knew that ?

Given what you've been spouting, I'm starting to believe a snooker fan is capable of believing anything.

I now realise/remember why I left this place all that time ago...

[wildJONESEYE]

Given what you've been spouting, I'm starting to believe a snooker fan is capable of believing anything.

I now realise/remember why I left this place all that time ago...

like it or lump it i dont give a flying **** its the truth what im spouting you can believe what the hell you like its only made up crap.

[astle_the_king]

Why are some people so against Alex Higgins ? me personally i wouldnt donate any money to help him and thats my choice. They say as you get older all you have are your memories and i bet alex has far more than the people on here running him down

[Nugget]

Why are some people so against Alex Higgins ? me personally i wouldnt donate any money to help him and thats my choice. They say as you get older all you have are your memories and i bet alex has far more than the people on here running him down

Who are you referring to here? Anyone who's said anything negative about Higgins has explained why. Why people are perceiving this as persecution, I have no idea. It's not hard, he drove people mental. No one is running him down, just responding to people attempting to rewrite history. The only problem anyone has with Higgins is with the way he treated people.

I think people should do whatever the hell they want to if it makes them happy and doesn't harm anyone else. I have no problem Alex's drinking and smoking and living the way he did, but when it has messed up his health like it has now and he continues to do it, I think the expectation that everyone should jump to his aid is unreasonable. If I were Alex, I wouldn't expect people to pay my medical bills when I drank, smoked and gambled all my money away. Maybe I'd have regrets, maybe I wouldn't, but I wouldn't expect or feel entitled to money, or even sympathy.

You've said yourself that you wouldn't donate any money to help him. That's about as far as anyone else has went, only they gave reasons.

[astle_the_king]

Who are you referring to here? Anyone who's said anything negative about Higgins has explained why. Why people are perceiving this as persecution, I have no idea. It's not hard, he drove people mental. No one is running him down, just responding to people attempting to rewrite history. The only problem anyone has with Higgins is with the way he treated people.

I think people should do whatever the hell they want to if it makes them happy and doesn't harm anyone else. I have no problem Alex's drinking and smoking and living the way he did, but when it has messed up his health like it has now and he continues to do it, I think the expectation that everyone should jump to his aid is unreasonable. If I were Alex, I wouldn't expect people to pay my medical bills when I drank, smoked and gambled all my money away. Maybe I'd have regrets, maybe I wouldn't, but I wouldn't expect or feel entitled to money, or even sympathy.

You've said yourself that you wouldn't donate any money to help him. That's about as far as anyone else has went, only they gave reasons.

Like you i think he his health problems are of his own making and thats why i wouldnt donate but if he had led his live differently he wouldnt be the alex higgins some people love and some dislike, me i think he is one of the greatest players ever , just like george best, Paul Gascoigne, true geniuses