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    The ranking system is to receive its first major overhaul in two decades as part of Barry Hearn’s new plans for snooker.

    The list will receive an official revision twice during the season rather than solely at the end of it.

    This means that the field for the Masters and the players guaranteed to be at the World Championship will not necessarily be the top 16 as it stands now.

    This is controversial because players have spent the last two years competing in tournaments unaware that a major change was coming.

    But though some players will be aghast, many others will see it as a chance to more quickly rise up the list and have their success rewarded.

    I understand that the first revision of the list will come at the conclusion of the World Open. The top 16 will therefore be seeded through to the final stages of the UK Championship and will be at the Masters.

    The second revision will most likely come after the Welsh Open, which will give us the 16 players seeded through to the Crucible.

    The new system should, in theory, better reflect current form. After all, the 16 players at the Masters are not the best 16 players in January, they are the best 16 players based on a two-year list which ended eight months before the Wembley event.

    The old system caused stagnation in the game. How can it be right for players in the top 16 to win just one match in each event and hardly budge?

    Hearn’s ethos is that the more success a player has, the more he should see the benefits.

    Let’s take one at random: Tom Ford. He’s a good player and was a Crucible qualifier last season.

    Imagine if Tom won the Shanghai Masters. Under the previous system, he would have to wait an entire year until the same event the following season to earn any reward.

    Under the new system he would go up the rankings, possibly enough to get in the top 16 straight away.

    Peter Ebdon dropped out of the top 16 after 16 years just last month. If he performs well at Shanghai and Glasgow he could be back in a matter of just months rather than having to wait a whole season.

    I can understand some players being unhappy with all this. The system has barely changed at all since the early 1990s when it was decided to award thousands of points at a time (younger readers may be surprised to know that ranking event winners used to get just six points).

    But it fits into Hearn’s aspiration to have players aiming high and receiving the rewards when they achieve.

    And actually as it stands right now only two top 16 players – Ryan Day and Marco Fu – are outside the elite bracket on the one-year list, with Jamie Cope standing 15th and Ken Doherty 16th.

    I can think of three players – Doug Mountjoy, Ronnie O’Sullivan and Ding Junhui – who have won the UK Championship, the biggest ranking title in the run up to the World Championship, and still had to qualify for the Crucible (Ding missed out).

    Indeed, it was theoretically possible to win every title on the circuit and not be guaranteed a Crucible place.

    Equally, it was possible – and it has happened – that a top 16 player can lose every match during the season and still be guaranteed a place in Sheffield.

    Why should this level of protection apply to a player who is not producing the goods on the table?

    And furthermore, why shouldn’t snooker try something new?

    It would certainly create more media interest because it would effectively create the ‘Race for the Masters’ and the ‘Race for the Crucible.’

    As with everything else in this new era, it may not be a perfect idea and it may not have the support of everyone.

    But the old ranking system was like swimming through glue. The new one should at least guarantee that those who achieve on the table see the rewards - the very essence of what sport should be about.

    EDIT: World Snooker have been in touch to say the list be actually be revised three times during the season, not twice. It will be after the World Open, the UK Championship and Welsh Open.


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  • #2
    I think its a very good way of doing things, the only people who will complain will be the ones off form, thus giving the "carrot" to chase

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    • #3
      this is great news - apparently this will be on a 2 year rolling basis, so after 2010 World Open, points from NI trophy, Shanghai and Grand Prix in 2008 get removed. NOt sure how this all iimpacts on starter points.

      Hopefully a press release by WSA will explain all....

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by snoopy2608 View Post
        this is great news - apparently this will be on a 2 year rolling basis, so after 2010 World Open, points from NI trophy, Shanghai and Grand Prix in 2008 get removed. NOt sure how this all iimpacts on starter points.

        Hopefully a press release by WSA will explain all....
        well it will impact greatly on Stephen Hendry if points removed for 2008 NI Trophy,shanghai and Grand Prix as long as he starts the season well he got only 3,775 from those 3 tournaments lol

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        • #5
          I'm aiming to publish a revised ranking list soon......

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          • #6
            This sounds like a good idea to me. Might keep some of the game's characters around for longer, and give the lower ranked players a fairer crack of the whip.

            I've always thought Hendry would quit whenever he dropped out of the top 16 but if you know you can get back with just a couple of months of good form wouldn't you hang on just a bit longer?

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            • #7
              this is how the current top 4 Rankings will look after taking away 2008 NIT,Shanghai and Grand Prix Points.

              John Higgins is on 46,470
              Neil Robertson is on 45,105
              Ali Carter is on 39,520
              Ronnie O'Sullivan is on 35,710

              plus points from 5 PTC Events,Shanghai Masters 2010 and World Open 2010.

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              • #8
                At first I was thinking 'How bloody complicated is THAT?' but having digested it a bit I began to think 'How bloody exciting is that going to make it?'

                It will be interesting to see how much it will effect the rankings not only in the top 16 but in the lower ranks too...... Surely this will encourage the higher ranked pro's in bothering to turn up to the PTC's too??? If this doesn't keep the players on their toes then nothing will... :snooker:
                Highest Break
                Practice: 136 (2005)
                Match: 134 (2006)
                In 2011: 94
                Centuries made: 50+

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                • #9
                  Originally Posted by thinsy View Post
                  At first I was thinking 'How bloody complicated is THAT?' but having digested it a bit I began to think 'How bloody exciting is that going to make it?'

                  It will be interesting to see how much it will effect the rankings not only in the top 16 but in the lower ranks too...... Surely this will encourage the higher ranked pro's in bothering to turn up to the PTC's too??? If this doesn't keep the players on their toes then nothing will... :snooker:
                  it will also encourage consistencies.

                  Winning the first 2 Tournament of the season then disapering and going walkabout is no longer a option because when it comes to taking away say 14,000 points for winning them you are left naked and struggling in qualifiers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
                    it will also encourage consistencies.

                    Winning the first 2 Tournament of the season then disapering and going walkabout is no longer a option because when it comes to taking away say 14,000 points for winning them you are left naked and struggling in qualifiers.
                    All of a sudden I am glad they have given Reanne Evans a wild card and I might be making a few trips to the qualifiers this season
                    Highest Break
                    Practice: 136 (2005)
                    Match: 134 (2006)
                    In 2011: 94
                    Centuries made: 50+

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                    • #11
                      my quick calcs show the following:

                      1 Higgins 46470
                      2 Robertson 44930
                      3 Carter 38720
                      4 Ding 36450
                      5 Murphy 36380
                      6 O'Sullivan 35710
                      7 Maguire 33920
                      8 Williams 32580
                      9 Allen 31430
                      10 Hendry 30010
                      11 Dott 28615
                      12 Selby 27970
                      13 King 25610
                      14 Fu 24060
                      15 Day 24010
                      16 Ebdon 23770

                      after this others of note:
                      17th Liang, 18th Cope, Mark Davis 23rd, S Davis 25th, Doherty 26th, Walden 29th, Gould 32nd,Trump 36th, Harold 52nd, J White 68th, M White 70th

                      for new players the last 2 seasons I'm assuming that starter points will be allocated by matching the individual tournament points of the 8th player on the one year list

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                      • #12
                        be interesting to see if this speeds up or slows down movement in rankings - if the points structure doesn't change I think it will slow it down, if we have more tournaments where higher ranked players enter earlier then it will speed it up.

                        Will probably take a couple of years to find out.

                        I do think it should help new players establish themselves on the tour quicker though - especially if starter points are allocated appropriately

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                        • #13
                          Difficult to work out how good/bad it will be....

                          If the 49th ranked player plays in tournament A and wins his 1st match but loses his 2nd he is awarded full value ranking points. He plays in tournament B and wins the competition.. The rankings are adjusted before the start of tournament C and he is in the top 16 but loses his first match he will only be entitled to half ranking points for losing his 1st match!!!! Pressure is still on!!!
                          Highest Break
                          Practice: 136 (2005)
                          Match: 134 (2006)
                          In 2011: 94
                          Centuries made: 50+

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                          • #14
                            Originally Posted by snoopy2608 View Post
                            my quick calcs show the following:

                            1 Higgins 46470
                            2 Robertson 44930
                            3 Carter 38720
                            4 Ding 36450
                            5 Murphy 36380
                            6 O'Sullivan 35710
                            7 Maguire 33920
                            8 Williams 32580
                            9 Allen 31430
                            10 Hendry 30010
                            11 Dott 28615
                            12 Selby 27970
                            13 King 25610
                            14 Fu 24060
                            15 Day 24010
                            16 Ebdon 23770

                            after this others of note:
                            17th Liang, 18th Cope, Mark Davis 23rd, S Davis 25th, Doherty 26th, Walden 29th, Gould 32nd,Trump 36th, Harold 52nd, J White 68th, M White 70th

                            for new players the last 2 seasons I'm assuming that starter points will be allocated by matching the individual tournament points of the 8th player on the one year list
                            Snoopy, where do you get those figures from mate?. Cos if it's the one year list they are way off. Check out Janie's one year list compiled after the World Championship. http://www.global-snooker.com/2009-1...nking-List.asp


                            "I tried to be patient, but it took too long"

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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by thinsy View Post
                              Difficult to work out how good/bad it will be....

                              If the 49th ranked player plays in tournament A and wins his 1st match but loses his 2nd he is awarded full value ranking points. He plays in tournament B and wins the competition.. The rankings are adjusted before the start of tournament C and he is in the top 16 but loses his first match he will only be entitled to half ranking points for losing his 1st match!!!! Pressure is still on!!!
                              theres no doubt about it it will be good .

                              ive been waiting for something like this for years it will create more intrest everyone wants to play at the crucible as it was in may 2010 players knew they would be at the crucible in 2011 but now they will have to play well to not have to qualify.

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