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  • Ssb - what to do with the welsh open?

    It seems to me that the Welsh Open has, through no real fault of its own, become the poor relation of the ranking event circuit.

    It’s a long established tournament, first staged in 1992, and has seen some terrific snooker and very tense finals down the years.

    But the Welsh Open does not stand out from the pack and now carries a lower ranking points tariff than the two Chinese ranking events.

    Why is this? Well, it doesn't receive BBC network coverage so is a little below the radar. Newport, fine place though it may be, does not excite players like some venues.

    But the main reason is that the tournament basically feels like all the others, just not as big. It is played under the tried and tested best of nine format so there is nothing ‘special’ about it.

    The answer, then, is to change it in some way. A new look, a new format, a new approach is needed.

    One idea is a shot clock, as a novelty. The Premier League uses one but it is yet to be introduced in a ranking tournament.

    I’m wary of the shot clock because I’m not sure it would improve the standard of snooker. Two players who can’t pot a ball between them will still be involved in a rubbish match regardless of how long they are given to play each shot.

    My other worry is that it would be used to artificially speed up the pace of play. Some of the most compelling snooker matches have been when the pace has slowed and the tension increases.

    Steve Davis took an age over the final few balls of his victory over John Higgins at the Crucible last season and it made for fascinating, nerve-shredding viewing. Running round the table would have detracted from this.

    A shot clock should be used to police play rather than forcing players to play at tempos outside their natural speed.

    If one is introduced for the Welsh Open it should be 35, maybe 40 seconds, not 25 or, God forbid, 20.

    Another change could be to the dress code. Some see the waistcoats and bowties as an anachronism. Others like the smart dress, although you can look smart without wearing a waistcoat.

    The danger here, though, is that it would make the event look even less important because players wouldn’t be wearing the clobber associated with the top tournaments.

    The format could change. How about best of sevens with no intervals? Just play the matches straight through so that they don’t outstay their welcome. Play the final over 13 frames in one session.

    Again, though, would this make the event any more appealing?

    We’re constantly told that ‘people today want everything shorter and faster’ but where is the actual evidence for this?

    The Welsh Open’s best days were when it was staged at the Cardiff International Arena from 1999 to 2003. It is a top class venue but too expensive in these belt-tightening times.

    It’s a tricky one for World Snooker: there’s the feeling that something has to change but any alteration to the format or look of the Welsh Open would be a risk and they do not want to alienate the traditional fans.

    Wales is a snooker hotbed. It has produced many top players and has a loyal fanbase.

    The Welsh Open has a proud history but it will surely need to embrace innovation to survive.

    But what to do?


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  • #2
    Why would you need to change the format to a event that actually sells tickets? its not packed for every match and for some matches there are only a few spectators but form what I have seen this is one of the better events for selling tickets out of a capacity percentage compared to other events.

    The Welsh fans love their Snooker and Snooker in a traditional sense of the word so if you start messing with the format then you will get less and less people attending.

    Originally Posted by David Hendon
    Why is this? Well, it doesn't receive BBC network coverage so is a little below the radar.
    Yes it does! all you got to do is tune into BBC 1/2 Wales or press the Red Button on any of the UK BBC 1 or 2 channels to get it on interactive.

    It bugs me why it is not on the English BBC channels as it is a great tournament, the players are really relaxed in Newport and everybody enjoys themselves and I think this shows through on the broadcasting too.

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    • #3
      Is the reduction of points part of Hearn's general re-vamping of the whole ranking system, or did it loose them before all that?

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      • #4
        I would like them to go back to just 2 booths, having 3 makes it looked confusing plus you can only ever watch 2 of them anyway.
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        • #5
          No shot clock, PLEASE. The PL is more than enough. Even O´Sullivan often plays some rubbish positional play, and the others most of the time do worse. As I see it, the shot clock only stresses the matches and the players certainly don´t play up to their best.

          What about a tournament with eighties tables and cloth instead, that would force the players into playing different than what they are used to.
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          • #6
            Originally Posted by PatBlock View Post
            Is the reduction of points part of Hearn's general re-vamping of the whole ranking system, or did it loose them before all that?

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            It was the same way last year.
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            • #7
              Originally Posted by Rane View Post
              It was the same way last year.
              I wonder why. I just hope the BBC don't drop it altogether, especially after loosing the GP/WO.

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              • #8
                as a welsh man that Listens to Welsh Radio and Welsh TV the Welsh Open is Promoted better in wales than the UK Championship and the Masters is.

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                • #9
                  Should move it to cardiff again ,re-imburse full ranking points!
                  Great tournament.

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                  • #10
                    I think moving into the modern world should be encouraged and accepted. The dress code is artificial and snooker is probably the only sport where the 'uniform/kit/clothes you're forced to wear actually hinder your ability to play.

                    Footballers wear shorts as they're easier to run in, boots with studs to grip the ground. Swimmers wear goggles and body gliding suits, athletes wear running shorts and spikes on their feet. More to the point - they train in the same gear they perform in.

                    I used to love wearing the full penguin suit to play town/county/internationals but bow-ties don't help, they rub against the cue. Long sleeved shirts don't help, the cuffs can cause fouls. Virtually no pro or top amateur practices in waistcoat, bow-tie, or long sleeved shirt. Yet all of them are expected to wear something that actively hinders them when playing in competition.
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                    • #11
                      Move it to a major city like Cardiff, otherwise the attendances will be as embarressing as the Grand Prix etc.

                      The most popular tournaments are The Masters and the WC. Both are in major cities.

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by beechy1212 View Post
                        Move it to a major city like Cardiff, otherwise the attendances will be as embarressing as the Grand Prixts pretty packed etc.

                        The most popular tournaments are The Masters and the WC. Both are in major cities.
                        one Thing you can never ever accuse Newport of is poor attendances.

                        ive been there and its pretty packed when ive been.

                        yes theres always dry days but you had them in the early 80s in Ranking Tournaments early Rounds.

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                        • #13
                          I didn't realise the Welsh was a troubled tournament!!!!
                          Like most have said the attendance seems ok, the atmosphere seems great and you CAN watch it on BBC!! (Red button, internet or just tune into the Wales regions on your sky/freesat)

                          I don't think change of 'uniform' will help one bit.... Snooker is known for being the smart dressed sport that it is. Also, I think I remember reading how Tom Ford (fairly sure it was him) stated that he started out in casualwear at the PTC's but didn't feel like it was a proper tournament so started to play in his waistcoat. Then went on to win!! It seems the dress code isn't an issue, infact most prefer to wear it.
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                          • #14
                            Hm... maybe I'm going insane, or maybe you don't get a proper picture from watching it on TV, but it always looked to me that the Welsh Open had the lowest attendances of any major tournament. It was better than usual this year, but the previous couple of years had virtually empty arenas for most of the first two rounds. Even Welsh players like Stevens or Day didn't get anywhere near a full house.

                            And that's the main reason why this event feels less "grand" than some of the others. With the lack of a proper atmosphere, it just feels like there is less at stake. And the prize money doesn't help either. It's stayed around 35k, whereas other tournaments that were previously of similar stature, like the Shanghai Masters or the China Open, are now around 55k. It's a big difference.

                            Of course you could play around with the dress code, but it just seems a bit random. Why would it help this event specifically? And if it would, why not introduce it in every event then? I'm not a fan of this "every event needs to be different" nonsense. I can't help but laugh at the idea that audiences would magically increase if the players were dressed differently for every event.

                            As for the shot clock, what kind of a suggestion is that?! Surely you can't have non-snooker events as part of the ranking circuit. Hell no!

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                            • #15
                              Agree. It looks empty a lot of the time and even if most of the seats are full occasionally, how big is the actual capacity?

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