Ssb - hearn: Players need to shape up

[Looki]

People are talking about some break-off shots here. Or some absurd rule changes.. Hearn is taking action because of the attitude some players are showing towards PTC. That's the point not how a break-off shot should or shouldn't be played.

[gerbisto]

Regarding Higgins he had to give it over the enquiery who acted on evidence provided.

you cant be tough for the hell of it without evidence.

however if a player doesent turn up to his job it says W/O on the draw sheet = Strong Evidence.

The video of NOTW is full blown evidence. What happened was that they "believed" John when he said that he was playing a part because he was afraid!!!

Where does he get that complicated jargon like "how shall I swallow" which is a term used apparently for money laundering?

He seemed pretty relaxed to me from his body language.

[gavpowell]

Well I knew the word "swallow" in the context of money-launderiing and I've never been in any remotely comparable situation t Higgins - it's hardly damning evidence, especially as we've established the NOTW video was riddled with edits, overdubs, inaccurate captions etc. A Scotland Yard detective and a leading QC have said he was not guilty - that's good enough for me.

[Jools]

the video of notw is full blown evidence. What happened was that they "believed" john when he said that he was playing a part because he was afraid!!!

Where does he get that complicated jargon like "how shall i swallow" which is a term used apparently for money laundering?

He seemed pretty relaxed to me from his body language.

y a a a w n!

[Rane]

First time I ever come across that clip!! Damn he was so desperate wasn't he!! How come no one ever trashed Neil for doing that??? Only Quinten Hann seems to take the blame for doing the same move!

And what was that!!! He actually threw a towel over Doherty's face!

As it was said, it was the round robin format. They had to play 7 frames, even if the match was already won, there were lots of exhibition snooker played in that tournament, Neil Robertson and Doherty played for fun in the last three frames. As I remember it, Mark Williams also had a go for a lot of crazy shots in his match. The format with playing to the end was only seen once, and I don´t think Robertson should be blamed for anything. He and Doherty played to entertain, while others played the balls up for the other to clean the table.

[Migtsf]

The video of NOTW is full blown evidence. What happened was that they "believed" John when he said that he was playing a part because he was afraid!!!

Where does he get that complicated jargon like "how shall I swallow" which is a term used apparently for money laundering?

He seemed pretty relaxed to me from his body language.

Indeed.

And even if he is the type of guy that gets intimidated by things most people don’t, like plastic flowers or something, that intimidation is no where visible in that video.

What is very visible is a guy who was supposedly intimidated thinking about ways to receive the money he would get for fixing the result of snooker matches.

Doesn’t add up, does it?

[Looki]

Indeed.

And even if he is the type of guy that gets intimidated by things most people don’t, like plastic flowers or something, that intimidation is no where visible in that video.

What is very visible is a guy who was supposedly intimidated thinking about ways to receive the money he would get for fixing the result of snooker matches.

Doesn’t add up, does it?

You're desperate, aren't you? This thread isn't about Higgins. Get over it finally or get some help, it's not healthy to mess every other thread with your "logical conclusions". The verdict has been given and it's not going to change. Higgins is here to stay. Period.

[Migtsf]

You are being unfair here, and your personal insults say more about you than me.

I didn’t mess up the thread or “every other thread”, for that matter. That is your extremely exaggerated accusation that I reject. I was simply replying to someone who had already mentioned the subject here.

Obviously, there are still other people here who still want to talk about it, and unless TSF is no longer a place where people interested in snooker can share their thoughts with each other, I don’t see what’s wrong with that.

If you’re not interested in the subject, that’s fine by me, but you have no right to try to silence others who want to talk about it. Is it boring for you? Find another thread that interests you more. There’s plenty out there, and I can assure you won’t find my “logical conclusions” in 99.99% of them.

Every stunt O’Sullivan made keeps getting regurgitated many, many years after, and comparatively insignificant things like Murphy and the chalk situation also keep coming up every time.

Do you really think that something as big and fresh as this bribe scandal is just going to disappear from peoples minds like that, when so much of it hasn’t been clarified properly? Think again.

[Jools]

Do you really think that something as big and fresh as this bribe scandal is just going to disappear from peoples minds like that, when so much of it hasn’t been clarified properly? Think again.

You're right, it won't disappear from some peoples minds sadly. All depends on weather you choose to move on...

[Freddie Ng]

You're right, it won't disappear from some peoples minds sadly. All depends on weather you choose to move on...

Yeah.. you're right Jools. Everybody make mistakes, is also the matter how they repend from it and move on..

:snooker:

[Looki]

You are being unfair here, and your personal insults say more about you than me.

I didn’t mess up the thread or “every other thread”, for that matter. That is your extremely exaggerated accusation that I reject. I was simply replying to someone who had already mentioned the subject here.

Obviously, there are still other people here who still want to talk about it, and unless TSF is no longer a place where people interested in snooker can share their thoughts with each other, I don’t see what’s wrong with that.

If you’re not interested in the subject, that’s fine by me, but you have no right to try to silence others who want to talk about it. Is it boring for you? Find another thread that interests you more. There’s plenty out there, and I can assure you won’t find my “logical conclusions” in 99.99% of them.

Every stunt O’Sullivan made keeps getting regurgitated many, many years after, and comparatively insignificant things like Murphy and the chalk situation also keep coming up every time.

Do you really think that something as big and fresh as this bribe scandal is just going to disappear from peoples minds like that, when so much of it hasn’t been clarified properly? Think again.

It's become obvious that it's not going to disappear from some peoples minds. But you're missing my point. Your endless mumbling is not going to change anything, not the verdict, not the fact that Higgins is back in the game, not anything... That's why it's pointless to mess , sorry not every other thread but, every other thread where Higgins is mentioned (is this better?).

If you want to talk about it, fine. Do it in a thread which is about the "Higgins case".

[gerbisto]

I had mentioned the Higgins incident to highlight a point that Barry wants to give out this image of disciplinarian when in my opinion, he gave John a slap in the wrist. There is no need for this thread to degenerate now.

And again I repeat, I am a Hearn supporter and feel that these are exiting times. I even like Power Snooker, and ardently look forward to the Snooker shootout in January, I love change, but the John incident is, in my opinion, a blot on his copybook.

[wildJONESEYE]

I had mentioned the Higgins incident to highlight a point that Barry wants to give out this image of disciplinarian when in my opinion, he gave John a slap in the wrist. There is no need for this thread to degenerate now.

And again I repeat, I am a Hearn supporter and feel that these are exiting times. I even like Power Snooker, and ardently look forward to the Snooker shootout in January, I love change, but the John incident is, in my opinion, a blot on his copybook.

when are people going to get it in their minds Barry Hearn has NOTHING to do with the WPBSA the disciplinary body and even less to do with the independent enquiry.

all i hear hearn let him off hearn gave him a slap on the wrist.

the only thing directly involving Barry Hearn in this was Suspending him in may.

[jw147]

well we all know what a big mistake hearn made in his suspension report, he mistook months for years!

[gerbisto]

when are people going to get it in their minds Barry Hearn has NOTHING to do with the WPBSA the disciplinary body and even less to do with the independent enquiry.

all i hear hearn let him off hearn gave him a slap on the wrist.

the only thing directly involving Barry Hearn in this was Suspending him in may.

Do you seriously believe that when the independent report was ready, it was issued to the media intact? It would have been presented to the WPBSA and would have been discussed around a table.