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    There was a discussion on Twitter yesterday – which I am now shamelessly hijacking – as to who is the best player never to be world champion.

    My responses were split between different snooker eras. In the 1970s it was Eddie Charlton, who reached the final three times. In the 1980s and 90s it was Jimmy White, a six times finalist. In the 2000s it was Matthew Stevens, runner-up twice. Of those playing at the moment it’s slightly different but I would say Mark Selby based on how well he has played there each year and yet not won the title, or at least not yet.

    I’m surprised how many people seem to think White shouldn’t be top of this list.

    Of course, many people reading this won’t remember or will have had no means to watch Jimmy in his prime.

    Well I can assure them that the standard of snooker he produced at his best would be good enough to compete with the top players of today.

    It was White who helped change snooker into the all-out attacking game it is today. Stephen Hendry wanted to play like him and, of course, would dish out disappointment upon disappointment at the Crucible.

    Much is made of his six finals but perhaps White’s best ever chance to be world champion was in 1982 when a miraculous Alex Higgins clearance denied him a place in the final.

    We’ll never know if he’d have beaten Ray Reardon – Higgins only did so 18-15 – but it is one of snooker’s most intriguing what it? moments: the whole course of the game’s history could have been altered had Higgins missed just once during that frame.

    But he didn’t, and White didn’t win the title. He wasn’t unlucky but the problem was never his game, rather his preparation – and some of the people he surrounded himself with – and, at times, his temperament.

    He freely admits he snatched at the black off its spot just a few balls from winning the decider against Hendry in 1994.

    White won all the other big titles but they are overshadowed in the collective consciousness by his failure to become world champion. That is a shame but also the way of the world.

    As for the debate which began this post, whoever your choice, “the best player never to win the world title” is almost the definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

    Nobody wants to be remembered as a nearly man.


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  • #2
    for me the winner should ideally be an attacking and charasmatic player....the 2 most obvious ommisions from the winners list being jimmy white and paul hunter.
    H.b.142

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    • #3
      Jimmy by a country mile, even if he had won it once, he wouldve been considered one of the best players ever to win it!

      I dont think the younger generation of fans nowadays realize how good he really was, a joy to watch in his prime.

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by the_Crippler09 View Post
        Jimmy by a country mile, even if he had won it once, he wouldve been considered one of the best players ever to win it!

        I dont think the younger generation of fans nowadays realize how good he really was, a joy to watch in his prime.
        Couldn´t have said it better.
        ....its not called potting its called snooker. Quote: WildJONESEYE
        "Its called snooker not potting" Quote: Rory McLeod

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        • #5
          Originally Posted by Rane View Post
          Couldn´t have said it better.
          theres this thought Jimmy White was a bottler....

          but anyone that witnessed first hand him play and even in those Hendry finals he was no bottler.

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          • #6
            Jimmy White, Paul Hunter, Matthew Stevens.

            I wouldn't say Selby as he has Plenty of Time and I think he will win World Title where the Others Won't and Obviously Hunter Cant due to his death.
            Even thou Matthew is good friend I think he missed the Boat when he Played Murphy!!....Matthew cost me alot of Money in that World Final but More Important he Lost the Final to Murphy. I always Bet on Matthew Stevens/Mark Williams as they used to Play at Terry's where I used to Play and I Played a few Exhibitions against Matthew 1-1 at Present....He was Lucky!!...lol

            Gaz.

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            • #7
              Yep, has to be Jimmy IMO. Agree 100% with Paul Hunter. Had potential to be a future World Champion. Matthew maybe just not quite got it but maybe could have but for the death of his father.
              Turning the question around has anyone won the World who just wasn't quite worthy of it. Can't think of any off-hand. Everyone I can remember has played their socks off and peaked at the right time to win.

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              • #8
                paul hunter for me.
                https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/adr147

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                • #9
                  Can't forget 94 world championships final.
                  Jimmy White had literally his hands on the trophy but messed it up.
                  My deep screw shot
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXTv4Dt-ZQ

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                  • #10
                    If we're answering the question literally, then Mark Selby is the BEST player to not have won the World. In terms of the unluckiest player, or the player to get closest but not win, clearly Jimmy.

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by Rii View Post
                      If we're answering the question literally, then Mark Selby is the BEST player to not have won the World. In terms of the unluckiest player, or the player to get closest but not win, clearly Jimmy.
                      I see it as if you´re turning this into a at the moment question, and if you look upon titles won amongst the current top players, then the best player who hasn´t won it is Ding. But basicly it gives no meaning talking about persons who´s on or apporoaching the peak of their careers.
                      ....its not called potting its called snooker. Quote: WildJONESEYE
                      "Its called snooker not potting" Quote: Rory McLeod

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                      • #12
                        Jimmy White. Charismatic genius.
                        "You have to play the game like it means nothing, when in fact it means everything to you" Steve Davis.

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                        • #13
                          Originally Posted by Rii View Post
                          If we're answering the question literally, then Mark Selby is the BEST player to not have won the World. In terms of the unluckiest player, or the player to get closest but not win, clearly Jimmy.
                          Yeah 6 finals is just lucky and then he ran out of luck on each of them.

                          C'mon. I think he lost his nerve when seeing a winning post, he still does. That was the only flaw in his game and he is the best player not to have won.

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                          • #14
                            Originally Posted by Rane View Post
                            Couldn´t have said it better.
                            Originally Posted by the_Crippler09 View Post
                            Jimmy by a country mile, even if he had won it once, he wouldve been considered one of the best players ever to win it!

                            I dont think the younger generation of fans nowadays realize how good he really was, a joy to watch in his prime.
                            I agree as well. Jimmy is without doubt the best to never win it.
                            Second place would probably be Paul Hunter. He had all of the makings of being a world champion, and was just starting to get his temperament at the later stages of the world championships right as he was diagnosed. I think he may well have won at least one title by now, but Jimmy is the number 1, hands down.
                            If you want to play the pink, but you're hampered by the red, you could always try to play the brown!

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                            • #15
                              You mean the Mark Selby who has only won the one ranking event?

                              It must surely be Jimmy, Stevens threw both his finals away, and I clearly remember Paul Hunter losing from 15-9 up in the semi in 2003 without Ken playing that great!

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