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  • #16
    It seems that selby hit red first, If you look at the stills taken from the video you can see that the white changes course after first hitting the red and then into the pink.



    Last edited by MattCash; 12 September 2011, 03:04 PM. Reason: Resized pictures

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    • #17
      Mark Williams would not have a cat in hells chance of knowing nothing so hes not in any possition for us to believe in.

      if theres differing opinion after endless video analisation how the hell could Mark Williams know first up.

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      • #18
        Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
        there was 2 much of a gap playing run through for contact on the pink to move the red.
        That's my take on it also. For the white to hit the pink, then come back and hit the red it would have to screw back, which it didn't/wasn't doing. If you watch the video you see the white hit the pink, stop for a split sec, then spin forward (run through). Prior to hitting the pink it must have contacted the red. Also, the angle the red took was perfectly possible/reasonable for the line the white was taking.
        "Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error"
        - Linus Pauling

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        • #19
          IMO it hit's the green first . hehe.

          It look's to me like red first, then the ball takes a different line, the ball's are not close enough for a simultaneous hit. but why not accept the initial decision of Selby and the ref , Selby was giving him the option , i guess he [ William's ] was trying to give the impression of im sure it's a foul ,but ill play it straight anyway , his regret and outburst due to the reversal of the decision .

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          • #20
            look at the top picture that was cutting the red toward the black ball whitch did happen then at the bottom picture it clearly shows deviation line before hitting the pink.

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            • #21
              Williams eyes and mind were where the white ended up,he didnt have an easy red colour combo starter,simple as.

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              • #22
                remember Mark Williams is like me....colour blind. perhaps he got confused. lol. this is very strange, he's normally such a laid back charachter.
                Steve Davis Technical Articles = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ilebasic?pli=1

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                • #23
                  It´s probably frustration. He´s as good as ever but struggles to get over the line these days, but I find it quite strange that he wanted a replay if he was certain from the start.
                  ....its not called potting its called snooker. Quote: WildJONESEYE
                  "Its called snooker not potting" Quote: Rory McLeod

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                  • #24
                    Great refereeing. not only did he get the decision right in the end, he used technology to make sure the decision was correct.

                    The red was hit first because the white ball changes direction before hitting the pink. This can only be caused by the cueball touching the red.

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                    • #25
                      Originally Posted by Rane View Post
                      It´s probably frustration. He´s as good as ever but struggles to get over the line these days, but I find it quite strange that he wanted a replay if he was certain from the start.
                      hes not as good as ever it just seems that way by reaching finals.

                      hes lacking the killer punch he once had even in earlier rounds but it magnifies itself in finals.

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                      • #26
                        Originally Posted by wildJONESEYE View Post
                        hes not as good as ever it just seems that way by reaching finals.

                        hes lacking the killer punch he once had even in earlier rounds but it magnifies itself in finals.
                        He has struggled with the killer punch before. He had a bad final streak before spread to seasons 2000/2001 and 2001/2002. He lost 5 consecutive finals where he appeared, last one was his loss to Paul Hunter in the Masters where he was 5-0 ahead. He commented after that

                        "It's not a nice feeling to lose like this but we've all been through it. And I'm sure it will happen again.

                        "However the more finals I lose the less confidence I will have going into them."

                        http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/...s/index.insdat

                        Soon after that he won China Open and the following season 2002/2003 was "pretty good" for him. So pounced back. Let's see if he can do it again.

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                        • #27
                          Originally Posted by Looki View Post
                          He has struggled with the killer punch before. He had a bad final streak before spread to seasons 2000/2001 and 2001/2002. He lost 5 consecutive finals where he appeared, last one was his loss to Paul Hunter in the Masters where he was 5-0 ahead. He commented after that

                          "It's not a nice feeling to lose like this but we've all been through it. And I'm sure it will happen again.

                          "However the more finals I lose the less confidence I will have going into them."

                          http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/...s/index.insdat

                          Soon after that he won China Open and the following season 2002/2003 was "pretty good" for him. So pounced back. Let's see if he can do it again.
                          well that was the Start of the Slide he began to suffer mid 2000s then

                          in his early career he won the first 7 finals he played in.....his first final defeat was the 1999 World Final against Hendry.

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                          • #28
                            Mark Williams couldn't have known for sure, in my opinion. We've watched endless replays, and are still not sure. How could Mark be 100% ?

                            These reeks of poor sportsmanship from Mark, as the referee wouldn't have known 100% either. It was just so difficult to call.

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                            • #29
                              Originally Posted by SnookerFan View Post
                              Mark Williams couldn't have known for sure, in my opinion. We've watched endless replays, and are still not sure. How could Mark be 100% ?

                              These reeks of poor sportsmanship from Mark, as the referee wouldn't have known 100% either. It was just so difficult to call.
                              yes after replay and replay some still think it was pink first while the majority thinks it red so at that split second Mark was clueless.

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                              • #30
                                Well i think we could go trying to guess whether it was red or pink till the cows come home . The real truth is that nobody can tell from the tv pictures available with any degree of confidence . I think a new rule needs made up to be up stating that any shot played where the outcome is too close to call for whatever reason , should be a foul .I can see William's point of view he was virtually holding the trophy with that snooker behind the brown and the reds open like that , mentally it was impossible for him to win after that robbing with the ref virtually tossing a coin for red or pink . The Snooker chiefs have got to make sure that this cannot happen again

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