De Roo cue for sale

[CTquick147]

Here's the chance to own a cue made by Canada's premiere custom cue maker, Kevin De Roo.

The cue is a two piece, with a center locking steel joint.
The shaft is made of the finest Canadian maple.
The butt end is fashioned from bird's eye maple and ebony.
The cue is 58 inches long, weighs 19 ounces, has a 10mm tip,
and a 27mm grip.

This cue has a great, solid hit, doesn't throw at all, and the shaft has just the right amount of flex to it. The ebony on the grip has a really nice feel to it.

I had the cue made in 2004, and paid $1000 Canadian for it. it's been well used, has a small nick along the shaft which can't be felt when stroking with it. The joint is still solid. The cue is not fitted with an SD joint but could easily be modified.

These cues are rarely re-sold and are a sought after a collector's item. This is the same make of cue Marco Fu uses, and would be a nice addition for any serious cue collector.

The price is $500 Canadian (plus shipping if required), and comes with a black aluminum case.

Location: Vancouver BC, Canada.

[poolqjunkie]

This cue has a great, solid hit, doesn't throw at all,

What does this mean?

[CTquick147]

Some cues bend when you contact the white ball on power shots; so the cue bends excessively and then straightens out as your following through. The extra flex creates an unwanted compression and snap in the shaft, which "throws" the shot off it's true course. The cue listed above doesn't do this, that's all I meant.

[poolqjunkie]

Some cues bend when you contact the white ball on power shots; so the cue bends excessively and then straightens out as your following through. The extra flex creates an unwanted compression and snap in the shaft, which "throws" the shot off it's true course. The cue listed above doesn't do this, that's all I meant.

You mean it has a very stiff hit, is that right?

Actually, the flex you described helps to reduce cue ball squirt or what you call throw on siding shots. When the shaft is really stiff, it really pushes the ball off course on side spin shots; the flexing of the shaft helps to reduce this pushing effect.

[CTquick147]

You mean it has a very stiff hit, is that right?

Actually, the flex you described helps to reduce cue ball squirt or what you call throw on siding shots. When the shaft is really stiff, it really pushes the ball off course on side spin shots; the flexing of the shaft helps to reduce this pushing effect.

No. You're not getting it. No my cue doesn't have a very stiff hit, I never said it had a very stiff hit, it's just right. I think you've got more money than sense mate. Yeah, of course, SOME flex is good, I'm talking about too much flex, which comes from a poorly constructed, bendy shaft. if you'd carefully read my response, you'd see that's what I was getting at, that's why I said "extra" flex. You seem to be one of those guys who just wants to show how much more you know than everyone else, and you think a Gauthier is only worth $500? Don't think so. I know some of the most fanatical collectors in Canada, and they'd pay hell of a lot more than that for a Gauthier, and so would anyone who wants an awesome cue. Try reading the posts before you go sounding off on everyone.

[poolqjunkie]

You can believe in whatever you want. I was just trying to help.

This cue has a great, solid hit, doesn't throw at all,

You said your cue "doesn't throw at all" and it is just impossible.

No. You're not getting it. No my cue doesn't have a very stiff hit, I never said it had a very stiff hit, it's just right. I think you've got more money than sense mate. Yeah, of course, SOME flex is good, I'm talking about too much flex, which comes from a poorly constructed, bendy shaft. if you'd carefully read my response, you'd see that's what I was getting at, that's why I said "extra" flex. You seem to be one of those guys who just wants to show how much more you know than everyone else, and you think a Gauthier is only worth $500? Don't think so. I know some of the most fanatical collectors in Canada, and they'd pay hell of a lot more than that for a Gauthier, and so would anyone who wants an awesome cue. Try reading the posts before you go sounding off on everyone.

I just wanted to find out what you actually meant because may be you meant something else when you used the term "throw."

Not sure why you kept talking about Gauthier as this is a thread about Deroo cue, isn't it?

You wanted to sell the cue, I questioned your claim, and then you started attacking me based on something you thought I said in another thread. By the way, I said between $400 to $500. I did not say a Gauthier cue is worth $500. Without its original shaft, it is worth much less.

I'm talking about too much flex, which comes from a poorly constructed, bendy shaft.

Flexibility is not necessarily due to poor construction. The flex is mostly determined by the taper, and the weight of the shaft. Not sure what is "bendy" shaft? You meant like a warp shaft? That should not affect the flexibility in itself. A cue can be very well constructed, with AAA wood, and still has lots of flex.

Some cues bend when you contact the white ball on power shots; so the cue bends excessively and then straightens out as your following through. The extra flex creates an unwanted compression and snap in the shaft, which "throws" the shot off it's true course. The cue listed above doesn't do this, that's all I meant.

You see, all shafts bend, not some, upon impact.

It is more appropriate to call it a vibration because that is what it is.

The compression does not happen before the follow through as you suggested. Wood does not know when you start/finish your follow through or how long your follow through is--it vibrates upon impact, that is all. Parts of the cue compresses and part expands, which is what happens with vibration. Different shaft/taper will form a different mode of vibration, or I guess you can call it a wave font, upon impact. I think of it like how sound transmit through a musical instrument such as a violin.

This vibration is transferred down the shaft to your hand which is what you call "feel." Whether a vibration is "unwanted" or not is subjective, depends on what you like.

The amount of "throw" (i.e. cue ball squirt) is determine by the first 6 " of the shaft, mostly by the weight, (e.g. tip size, ferrule material, wood mass), and the flexibility in that portion of the shaft.

Extra flex can actually help the cue ball to stay closer to its intended course, i.e. reduces squirt, which is the exact opposite of what you said above.

But no matter what, all cues throw.

Therefore, what you described is just simply not true--unless you have a very different idea/understanding on the term "throw," which is why I asked my original question.

From your respond, it is obvious that you dont even know what you are talking about, and you are not willing to listen.

[eaoin11]

Geez, what a muddled argument that turned into! I would have supposed that the shaft had a solid hit due to it's taper and good maple, and not throw much because that ferrule looks like the kind that is designed to reduce throw, squirt, deflection or whatever you want to call it.

[atm147iwish]

Geez, what a muddled argument that turned into! I would have supposed that the shaft had a solid hit due to it's taper and good maple, and not throw much because that ferrule looks like the kind that is designed to reduce throw, squirt, deflection or whatever you want to call it.

...if you locked poolqjunkie in a room on his own, he would fall out with his own shadow

[noel]

At ten paces.
Ash vs Maple.
Brass vs Phenolic Resin.
Ebony vs Ivory (snick).
Steel vs Plastic.
Gauthier vs DeRoo

Get It On, Bitches!




=o)

Noel

[poolqjunkie]

Geez, what a muddled argument that turned into! I would have supposed that the shaft had a solid hit due to it's taper and good maple, and not throw much because that ferrule looks like the kind that is designed to reduce throw, squirt, deflection or whatever you want to call it.

Well, I though he meant to say it has a stiff hit. But then he said no.

He said the cue has no throw, which is just plain impossible. I did not mean to challenge him, if you read my posts, I was very politely asking him a question, and then just trying to point out what I believe to be true. For some reason he felt the need to attack me personally.

Let me explain a bit I know about Deroo cue shafts:

Deroo has a laminated shaft he offers, which he has bored out the front end to reduce "throw" or squirt. It is basically a design he steals from Predator cues illegally. This shaft is hollow at the first few inches and the hollow portion is then covered by a piece of ash disc. He offers both the black fibre ferrule and the brass ferrule for this type of shaft.

Lots of Canadian cue makers offer this black ferrule on their shafts--some have hugh "throw" and some do not. It is a traditional Canadian thing, to have black fibre, rather than brass ferrule, on a snooker cue. Black ferrule is lighter--in theory should offer less cue ball squirt. But some of these shafts have hugh cue ball squirt due to the taper and weight and tip size and so on.

Deroo also offers a old growth maple shaft. Whether it is really from the bottom of lake Michigan I do not know. It is just a regular one piece solid maple shaft, no lamination, and no boring at the front. This is what Marco Fu has on his cue. But this shaft is quite heavy, and has much more "throw" (squirt) than the laminated version.

Deroo also has a plain regular maple shaft he uses.

The seller mentioned his shaft has "no throw." Then he also mentioned this cue was the same make as Marco Fu's cue.

Was he saying this cue has a regular maple shaft; an old growth shaft, which are both quite stiff, but with more "throw"; or a low deflection laminated version, which is not what Marco Fu is using, but with less "throw?" Or is he saying he has a shaft that no one in the world has yet been able to invent, which actually offers no "throw" (squirt) at all?

These shafts that Deroo offers are all different in playability and also in price.

I know he is trying to sell his cue, but ignorance is not an excuse. Making false claim trying to sell him cues, and then attacking the one who questioned him is just really bad form in my opinion.

[checkSide]

Poolq. Just try and calm down a bit.

Everyone knows what the guy was trying to say. He was just saying his cue has relatively low throw. He wasn't trying to claim his cue defied the law of physics.

There is no need to attack people so viciously.

He was just offering his cue for sale, and trying to describe it.

It really is as simple as that.

[eaoin11]

"He said the cue has no throw, which is just plain impossible."

It's called exageration, which can be interpreted as 'very little' in this case by normal people.

"Was he saying this cue has a regular maple shaft; an old growth shaft"

That's a more interesting question.

Is that old growth maple still available these days? Do UK cue makers use it?

[poolqjunkie]

Well, you can look at this anyway you want, and attack me anyway you like. It is not really a big deal.
No throw and very little throw are two different things. As he explained what he meant by "no throw" he was obviously talking about something very different and confusing from what I understand as cue ball squirt. I do not think he meant to say "little throw."

You can read his respond, he was not really talking about cue ball squirt. Actually I don't really know what exactly he was talking about.

Anyway, I feel like I am trying to give direction to a blind person here.

Ignorance does see no boundary.

But let me once again explain why I wanted to ask him the question in the first place in case there is someone out there interested in learning rather than critizing.

Deroo's low deflection shaft in itself cost about $300. So, if this cue comes with that, then $500 is indeed a good price. His regular shaft is quite a bit less, and his old growth shaft is priced in between.

May be Deroo has come up with a "no throw" shaft that I do not know about? Some cue makers in the US has claimed to have shafts with no cue ball squirt. So, it is possible.

Deroo makes his snooker cue like American makes their 9 ball cues. His snooker cues (half jointed) are like a 9 ball cue with a smaller tipped shaft. It features a 5/16x14 joint like you see on a Falcon. Any shaft of that thread size will fit. You can put on a 9 ball shaft and play 9 ball with it. The only thing is he somehow likes to make his butt diameter very skinny. That is really the only difference. His 9 ball cues also have very skinny butt.

My question is not irrevalant and his listing is indeed very misleading and confusing. At least to me it is. How you view it is your own business. It is a free country.

Yes, go ahead, buy this butterfly spliced Deroo with 27mm butt 9 ball cue with a "no throw" shaft for $500. The seller really knows his cue and you should trust him. I am crazy.

Old growth shaft is supposed to be shaft obtained from the bottom of lake Michigan. They were supposed to have been lying there for a long time. I have seen some of these shaft, they are quite heavy and darker, with very close grain pattern.

Why am I wasting my time here I do not really know. Anyway, I am done.

[noel]

Well, you can look at this anyway you want, and attack me anyway you like. It is not really a big deal.
No throw and very little throw are two different things. As he explained what he meant by "no throw" he was obviously talking about something very different and confusing from what I understand as cue ball squirt. I do not think he meant to say "little throw."

You can read his respond, he was not really talking about cue ball squirt. Actually I don't really know what exactly he was talking about.

Anyway, I feel like I am trying to give direction to a blind person here.

Ignorance does see no boundary.

But let me once again explain why I wanted to ask him the question in the first place in case there is someone out there interested in learning rather than critizing.

Deroo's low deflection shaft in itself cost about $300. So, if this cue comes with that, then $500 is indeed a good price. His regular shaft is quite a bit less, and his old growth shaft is priced in between.

May be Deroo has come up with a "no throw" shaft that I do not know about? Some cue makers in the US has claimed to have shafts with no cue ball squirt. So, it is possible.

Deroo makes his snooker cue like American makes their 9 ball cues. His snooker cues (half jointed) are like a 9 ball cue with a smaller tipped shaft. It features a 5/16x14 joint like you see on a Falcon. Any shaft of that thread size will fit. You can put on a 9 ball shaft and play 9 ball with it. The only thing is he somehow likes to make his butt diameter very skinny. That is really the only difference. His 9 ball cues also have very skinny butt.

My question is not irrevalant and his listing is indeed very misleading and confusing. At least to me it is. How you view it is your own business. It is a free country.

Yes, go ahead, buy this butterfly spliced Deroo with 27mm butt 9 ball cue with a "no throw" shaft for $500. The seller really knows his cue and you should trust him. I am crazy.

Old growth shaft is supposed to be shaft obtained from the bottom of lake Michigan. They were supposed to have been lying there for a long time. I have seen some of these shaft, they are quite heavy and darker, with very close grain pattern.

Why am I wasting my time here I do not really know. Anyway, I am done.

Wait.... PJ.... here's a question to drive you completely INSANE...

Aren't De Roo cues Australian?



=o)

Noel

[checkSide]

Poolq.

No one is attacking you here.

The original poster was merely describing his cue in the best terms he knew how. They weren't perfect, but perhaps he doesn't understand the technicalities as well as you.

Everyone reading the post understood what he meant, except you.

He was just saying it's a good cue that doesn't squirt the cueball a lot when playing side.

He wasn't claiming his cue did the impossible, and he wasn't trying to deceive anyone into buying a "super cue".
I know you don't see that, which is a shame.

Now the way he reacted to your first post wasn't the best, and that has set you off onto one of your rants in this thread, so I'll leave you to it now.