Advice for a friend.....

[DWOT]

A friend of mine has an 80 yr old Burroughs and Watts cut the was given to his Dad by Joe Davis, it needs a new ferrule putting on it and he's thinking of having something done to the butt for extensions.....

Will having the extension bit put in affect the value of the cue?

I've yet to see the cue but am looking forwards to doing so and will take some pictures and put them up on here.

[jrc750]

I would say the value would drop by about half..... it stops being a collectible cue and just becomes a playing cue, which is fine if it plays really well and he has no intention of selling it anyway.
Do you know what model it is ???

[DWOT]

I would say the value would drop by about half..... it stops being a collectible cue and just becomes a playing cue, which is fine if it plays really well and he has no intention of selling it anyway.
Do you know what model it is ???

I've no idea what is it to be honest, ust know his dads was really good mates with Joe back in the day, am hoping he brings it along soon as I'm desperate to see and feel it!

[snookerpoolman]

A friend of mine has an 80 yr old Burroughs and Watts cut the was given to his Dad by Joe Davis, it needs a new ferrule putting on it and he's thinking of having something done to the butt for extensions.....

Will having the extension bit put in affect the value of the cue?

I've yet to see the cue but am looking forwards to doing so and will take some pictures and put them up on here.

Yes new Tip and Ferrule - No to the extensions, but that's just my opinion.

At the moment I have a customers cue in for 2 new shafts to be made. It too is an old Burroughes and Watts and already sadly split to 3/4.. Fine as the cust. only uses it for pool now (hence 2 new shafts, one at 8.5mm for breaking off, the other at 7mm for playing with). Not a fan of splitting old one piece cues - it devalues them and just isn't right...

Better to keep it original and use push-on extensions for longer shots and even a push-on mini-butt that I now supply...

Bring it over when you come for our knock mate...

[DWOT]

Yes new Tip and Ferrule - No to the extensions, but that's just my opinion.

At the moment I have a customers cue in for 2 new shafts to be made. It too is an old Burroughes and Watts and already sadly split to 3/4.. Fine as the cust. only uses it for pool now (hence 2 new shafts, one at 8.5mm for breaking off, the other at 7mm for playing with). Not a fan of splitting old one piece cues - it devalues them and just isn't right...

Better to keep it original and use push-on extensions for longer shots and even a push-on mini-butt that I now supply...

Bring it over when you come for our knock mate...

Can't see him letting me bring it over, he's not even let me see it yet and I've been on at him to do so for about 6 months already!

I've passed on the advice to him, and I guess it's noe up to him but as you say be a shame to change it after all this time!

[snookerpoolman]

OK well either bring him and the cue with you or just tell him I'll get the tip and ferrule done for him and just bring the cue. Sometimes a same day service, like yesterday for one of the lads who was desperate for his cue back....

[jb134]

You can't put a value on a good playing cue so devaluing it for collectors is almost irrelevant.

I know a guy who has a Reece and years ago sent it to be 3/4 split for convenience. The devaluing was mentioned to him and he said "I'm never going to sell it".

The other side of that coin is I've seen guys trying to get full price for 50/50 split Mannocks, Burwat Champions, Eurekas etc. Having a laugh!

The moral is if you don't know it's the cue for you, leave it. If it's the cue for you, do what you like.

[perpetualboredom]

You can't put a value on a good playing cue so devaluing it for collectors is almost irrelevant.

I know a guy who has a Reece and years ago sent it to be 3/4 split for convenience. The devaluing was mentioned to him and he said "I'm never going to sell it".

The other side of that coin is I've seen guys trying to get full price for 50/50 split Mannocks, Burwat Champions, Eurekas etc. Having a laugh!

The moral is if you don't know it's the cue for you, leave it. If it's the cue for you, do what you like.

I don't know about that John. You wouldn't buy the mona lisa and cheer her up a bit by drawing a big smile on her instead. Buy a classic ferrari and pop in a diesel engine for some extra mpg. So why chop up something that's been around much longer than you have, and would hopefully be around a long time afterwards. If you have a rare old cue, sell it as it is, take the money to a master cue maker of this era and have them make you the cue you want.

[jb134]

I don't know about that John. You wouldn't buy the mona lisa and cheer her up a bit by drawing a big smile on her instead. Buy a classic ferrari and pop in a diesel engine for some extra mpg. So why chop up something that's been around much longer than you have, and would hopefully be around a long time afterwards. If you have a rare old cue, sell it as it is, take the money to a master cue maker of this era and have them make you the cue you want.

I did say "almost" irrelevant and that why. There are obviously some cues in the "mona lisa" class you wouldn't chop but if you've got an old cue worth say £300 and it's gonna drop it to £100 if you chop it but you can play with it, you're not getting much off a top cuemaker for the £300 anyway and you might not be able to play with the new one.

Now if it was a signed Innman..............

All opinions I guess, his "old b&w" might turn out to be a first edition mascot. ;-)

[DWOT]

All opinions I guess, his "old b&w" might turn out to be a first edition mascot. ;-)

And if it is, what's it's worth?????????

[JasonOwen]

And if it is, what's it's worth?????????

A 1st edition Mascot, Its only worth what someone will pay for it. Its pretty much impossible to value any old cue these days.

I think we will have to resort into putting cues into 4 brackets,
Under £50
£50 - £100
£100 - £180
£180 plus

To value a cue to the nearest tenner seems to be a thing of the past.


Back to the cue,
If its a machine spliced cue with B&Watts stamped on the butt then if putting a joint in the cue means it will get used then I feel its a good thing. The cue is pretty much worthless in collecting terms so better it gets used.
If it has a players name plate on it then leave it alone. Let it live its age out being gently restored and admired.

[perpetualboredom]

I did say "almost" irrelevant and that why. There are obviously some cues in the "mona lisa" class you wouldn't chop but if you've got an old cue worth say £300 and it's gonna drop it to £100 if you chop it but you can play with it, you're not getting much off a top cuemaker for the £300 anyway and you might not be able to play with the new one.

Now if it was a signed Innman..............

All opinions I guess, his "old b&w" might turn out to be a first edition mascot. ;-)

My guess is a disc badge, 19 soho square. Very rare and worth £300, so a few people have tried to inform me!

That Mascot is still living (unless oldschool has a confession to make....), just a bit slimmer - think turning the mona lisa (and a graffiti'd one at that) into the Cheryl Cole. Mmm.

P.S

How about a hand spliced inman? : mmm

[perpetualboredom]

A 1st edition Mascot, Its only worth what someone will pay for it. Its pretty much impossible to value any old cue these days.

I think we will have to resort into putting cues into 4 brackets,
Under £50
£50 - £100
£100 - £180
£180 plus

To value a cue to the nearest tenner seems to be a thing of the past.


Back to the cue,
If its a machine spliced cue with B&Watts stamped on the butt then if putting a joint in the cue means it will get used then I feel its a good thing. The cue is pretty much worthless in collecting terms so better it gets used.
If it has a players name plate on it then leave it alone. Let it live its age out being gently restored and admired.

True that to play is certainly better than to gather dust. It's a shame the cost of making them nice players is a lot more than they're worth afterwards. Half my local team play with 1pce old cues, nice playing cues but I bet each one owes me at the very least a tenner!

[old school]

Mike,I told you I would leave that 1st edition Mascot alone and I have.It still plays sweet as a nut and is still a one piece.I thank you for giving me the opportunity to own and play with it.Yes I would totally agree with you on your sentiments about destroying a piece of art.However jb has a point too.Look what Steve Davis did to an Olde Ash ,admittedly to continue playing with it after an accident ( if I remember correctly) and has Shaun Murphy not had his Tom Newman altered by Rodney Hinde ? So sometimes is it acceptable or not ???

[JasonOwen]

Half my local team play with 1pce old cues, nice playing cues but I bet each one owes me at the very least a tenner!

So if I drive up once a month and join your team do I get given a 1pcs cue? Hmmm can I have the signed Inman cue please?

I could be a great super sub!