Jp Classic or Ambassador?

[bolton-cueman]

There goes the neighbourhood....

[Master Blaster]

There goes the neighbourhood....

There are neighbourhoods in Bolton?!

[Master Blaster]

you sure know how to flick a stone when you want with thoes claws in your paws blaster

Ya got me, I got a takedown there. Fair play J6!

[strobbekoen]

Could you stop hijacking and polluting threads please (including mine, thanks for that).. i like to read useful information, thanks

[Byrom]

Getting back to the thread - the butt of a classic is flatter and the ambassador slightly more rounded on the edges - In my experience I also find the ambassador generally to be the better balanced cue for my pref - more even or slightly more forward balanced in the ones I have had as opposed to the classics I owned in which the weight was more in the back. but I have only owned 3 or 4 of each make so this might just be these ones.

The older red glue ones - if you find a good one are as good as any other cue he makes today and it is worth buying an old classic as they older red glue types sometimes dont come with a mini butt socket and so you can modify the balance get them re spliced lengthened or re finished and get a joint fitted - I also found most classics where made at 57 in length back then which was too short in general for me and the ambassador rage usually all above this in length also aesthetically they both have nice real black ebony which is harder for cue makers to source these days and although the spicing is generally uneven on them the cues are quite good players I have found - good ash although slightly more industrial in feel if you like a silky smooth finish then you may need it re done but I like this kind of feel as it gives some feedback on my bridge hand that helps my timing - personally I prefer them to most of what he makes today.

I would now perhaps choose other makers above Parris really because he has gone past the point I think they are worth it and the waiting time is ridiculous although he can still produce some good stuff I am sure.

I don't generally go of what a pro uses but a lot of people do - Steve Davis helped out on the design of the ambassador - and the classic was used by 2010 world champion Robertson uses an old red glue classic that was modified as I suggested.

Be warned - lots of fakes out there - safest place to buy one is from someone like ADR147 or a trustworthy source who has the experience to spot them - key to this is a few factors - I have seen a number of fakes some really good ones actually - even red glue fakes - I can tell when holding one and it might sound funny but generally on an old original Parris the finish is slightly rougher and the splicing uneven if a fake Parris and they are generally smoother finish and even spliced. I have also seen some modern originals in various ranges of his cues including red glue by Parris that seem to use different plastic type ash wood shafts too - these are generally smoother but most overly stiff and lifeless have very tight and dark grain and nice chevrons - but not the right quality of ash for a cue playability wise for me at any rate and this probably is why some people think Parris at some point used doner shafts from somewhere else. I would not like to say - these might just be really good copies or there might be some truth in it.

Hope this helps.

[jrc750]

Byrom, i thought adr said he used a Burwat Champion for that fast 147 break??

[Byrom]

I don't know what ADR said - but I think I was told it was a Parris Classic he used on the fastest 147 - might be wrong - forgot who told me - I will ask again - funny this is not well known actually. I believe he has previously said his favourite cue he ever had was a Burwat champion he had as a kid John Parris did a bit of work on it on the butt it was a small tip and a bit whippy - I saw it it was a small tip like 8.5 mil around 18oz and a guy who had the old heritage room in Sheffield bought it off Ronnie I believe so - it might have been this cue - he used this in the UK in 97 - so ADR might be right - John Parris would know though.

The traditional - or ultimate he uses now is like the modern take on the burwat design from Parris as you know. Sorry if I have this wrong I know how much you like your burwats

[narl]

I don't know what ADR said - but I think I was told it was a Parris Classic he used on the fastest 147 - might be wrong - forgot who told me - I will ask again - funny this is not well known actually. I believe he has previously said his favourite cue he ever had was a Burwat champion he had as a kid John Parris did a bit of work on it on the butt it was a small tip and a bit whippy - I saw it it was a small tip like 8.5 mil around 18oz and a guy who had the old heritage room in Sheffield bought it off Ronnie I believe so - it might have been this cue - he used this in the UK in 97 - so ADR might be right - John Parris would know though.

The traditional - or ultimate he uses now is like the modern take on the burwat design from Parris as you know. Sorry if I have this wrong I know how much you like your burwats

The cue on the 147 was the modified burwat champion with the joint through the splices. You can see the joint as he points upto the crowd at the end of the break when he's at his seat. He changed cues i think the following season to the traditional style.

[Byrom]

yeah well I don't know for sure - it looks like the old classic design in dark brown wood and ebony on the butt though to me on that shot though - obviously been modified so - half n half maybe?

[narl]

yeah well I don't know for sure - it looks like the old classic design in dark brown wood and ebony on the butt though to me on that shot though - obviously been modified so - half n half maybe?

It looks that way because it was modified so much, pretty sure at one point it was lengthened which took away the veneer and just ended up with 4 dark wood splices on the butt. I asked John Parris about it before years ago and it had a lot of work done to it over the years and basically didn't resemble what it originally was at all.

[Master Blaster]

It looks that way because it was modified so much, pretty sure at one point it was lengthened which took away the veneer and just ended up with 4 dark wood splices on the butt. I asked John Parris about it before years ago and it had a lot of work done to it over the years and basically didn't resemble what it originally was at all.

Have you got a cue and it don't play good?
Who you gonna call, John Parris!
Is it too short for use and you can't pot a thing,
Who you gonna call, John Parris!

I ain't fraid o no splice, I ain't fraid o no splice, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

John Parris!

[screw]

Jp Classic or Ambassador?

Byrom big thanks to you for your information. Thanks all, think im set on ordering an ambassador. I would go to the shop but i know the specs on this come in at 9mm tip which is a absolute no no for me. Will need one at 9.5 maybe even 9.75 if possible?

[ADR147]

Byrom big thanks to you for your information. Thanks all, think im set on ordering an ambassador. I would go to the shop but i know the specs on this come in at 9mm tip which is a absolute no no for me. Will need one at 9.5 maybe even 9.75 if possible?

I have a good classic here. generally the ambassadors are heavy so be careful.

[strobbekoen]

JP seems to advise the weight of a snooker cue to be in the 18-20oz range which I find a bit high ?
18oz seems more of the average to me, not the lower range, doubt the average player uses a 19oz weight cue.

[Master Blaster]

JP seems to advise the weight of a snooker cue to be in the 18-20oz range which I find a bit high ?
18oz seems more of the average to me, not the lower range, doubt the average player uses a 19oz weight cue.

Where did he say that? Maybe he advises this for players who will be using club and league match tables that are a bit slow, it's the only reason I can think of. Most pros are 17-18oz, a few heavier but not many and he makes a lot of their cues!