1 piece or 2 piece with 3/4 joint?

[LordWotsit]

Does a 1 piece play different to a 2 piece?
Is it just a personal choice/preference?

[Chappy5]

They should play exactly the same but 3/4 are easier to transport.

Personal preference mostly.

[tetricky]

I disagree. I sunk a lot of money into a custom made 3/4 parris. I've since decided to go down the one-piece butters route at a fraction of the cost. amazing difference. just my imagination? Maybe. Had a regular ton maker try my two main cues today. "This is making me want to go back to a one piece".

I can feel the difference, and I'm no expert. I think most people can. A good one piece that feels right for you will outperform an equivalent 3/4 in feel and pounds.

If you absolutely need the convenience, get a split cue. If you really don't need to, don't. One pieces are better.

[Ramon]

Well , I know few players who can play well with 3/4 cue But they can'nt get on with one piece cue .
Sumthing you do'nt expect !!
I think that's what Chappy means by Personal preference , and I'm agree with that part .
But how the cue feels and kind of Feadback u get from a one piece cue is diff imo .
( of crs, IF THE CUE IS A REAL ONE PIECE CUE ) lol .

[vmax4steve]

I disagree. I sunk a lot of money into a custom made 3/4 parris. I've since decided to go down the one-piece butters route at a fraction of the cost. amazing difference. just my imagination? Maybe. Had a regular ton maker try my two main cues today. "This is making me want to go back to a one piece".

I can feel the difference, and I'm no expert. I think most people can. A good one piece that feels right for you will outperform an equivalent 3/4 in feel and pounds.

If you absolutely need the convenience, get a split cue. If you really don't need to, don't. One pieces are better.

Would you care to elaborate on the difference it made to your game break wise ? What is your best break ? did your best break increase ? if not how do you guage the difference in performance ?

I had my hand made one piece split to 3/4 for ease of transportation and could feel no difference, balance was the same, still knocking in the odd 70+.

[tetricky]

Would you care to elaborate on the difference it made to your game break wise ? What is your best break ? did your best break increase ? if not how do you guage the difference in performance ?

I had my hand made one piece split to 3/4 for ease of transportation and could feel no difference, balance was the same, still knocking in the odd 70+.

Well that's complicated by other factors. I returned to the game after a three or four year layoff with a broken wrist (bridge hand) and decided my 9mm tip (nearer 8.5 these days) was responsible for too much unintentional side and general inaccuracy. So since coming back around July/August I've re-moddeled my whole action.

What I did was aquire a number of 3/4 and one piece cues and practice with them, until i worked towards my preference. Generally, for me, the one piece cues have a nicer organic feel than the split cues. I'm playing more plain ball shots and trying to move the ball around less, and I feel i can get more accurate position (particularly with short screws and short stun run throughs) - on average. With a split cue sometimes I get a slightly tinny connection, and the joint requires a bit of maintenance to maintain a solid joint, which might be just cleaning with wire wool.

I'm finding that I get better feel and accuracy, but that could be because of many factors that have changed in the way I play. I'm currently capable of running nine or ten reds in the line up before breaking down, whereas previously that would be more likely around four or five.

I do not see any additional benefit in a split cue, apart from ease of transportation....and if you have a one-piece that you want to carry easier, it's possible to have a joint put in...but not the other way. Equally one piece cues sell better, if you want to turn it over and get another.

So I stand by my broad recommendation to get a one piece cue, unless you need a split cue for ease of carrying.

[markz]

There are enough pro's using 3/4 cues to prove there is no playing difference, it's just for easier transport.

[vmax4steve]

Well that's complicated by other factors. I returned to the game after a three or four year layoff with a broken wrist (bridge hand) and decided my 9mm tip (nearer 8.5 these days) was responsible for too much unintentional side and general inaccuracy. So since coming back around July/August I've re-moddeled my whole action.

What I did was aquire a number of 3/4 and one piece cues and practice with them, until i worked towards my preference. Generally, for me, the one piece cues have a nicer organic feel than the split cues. I'm playing more plain ball shots and trying to move the ball around less, and I feel i can get more accurate position (particularly with short screws and short stun run throughs) - on average. With a split cue sometimes I get a slightly tinny connection, and the joint requires a bit of maintenance to maintain a solid joint, which might be just cleaning with wire wool.

I'm finding that I get better feel and accuracy, but that could be because of many factors that have changed in the way I play. I'm currently capable of running nine or ten reds in the line up before breaking down, whereas previously that would be more likely around four or five.

I do not see any additional benefit in a split cue, apart from ease of transportation....and if you have a one-piece that you want to carry easier, it's possible to have a joint put in...but not the other way. Equally one piece cues sell better, if you want to turn it over and get another.

So I stand by my broad recommendation to get a one piece cue, unless you need a split cue for ease of carrying.

Do you know that most one piece cues are in fact made from two pieces of wood joined together and then spliced as a one piece with the join hidden under the splices, that feel from from one piece of timber is actually a false impression from the belief that you're using one whole piece of timber from tip to butt.
You very well could be, but you don't know for sure unless you have witnessed the making process of the cue you're using.

[barrywhite]

Do you know that most one piece cues are in fact made from two pieces of wood joined together and then spliced as a one piece with the join hidden under the splices, that feel from from one piece of timber is actually a false impression from the belief that you're using one whole piece of timber from tip to butt.
You very well could be, but you don't know for sure unless you have witnessed the making process of the cue you're using.

Some are but how can you claim most are? Where's the evidence in numbers of cues made using this method as a proportion of total one piece cues made? And I know that Cue Craft, Powerglide and other reputable companies make their one piece cues from one piece of ash. So if you want a one-piece guys (and everyone should) check out the rep of the cue maker first.

And even if a one-piece is made from two pieces of ash glued together, it will still have more feel than cracking and creaking jointed cue with a brass hammer in the middle. A one-piece cue with one piece of ash with splices isn't a pure one-piece anyway; de facto! But it's still better for feel than a cue with a pool stick joint.

@markz, Ronnie could play with a broom handle, it doesn't mean a one-piece isn't better and a one-piece does offer more feedback and feel. MW recommends a one-piece. I have two identical cues, one with a plastic collar/brass thread joint. They play differently. That's a fact. If one-piece and jointed cues played the same, no-one would go to the hassle of buying and owning a one-piece.

[billabong]

Some are but how can you claim most are? Where's the evidence in numbers of cues made using this method as a proportion of total one piece cues made? And I know that Cue Craft, Powerglide and other reputable companies make their one piece cues from one piece of ash. So if you want a one-piece guys (and everyone should) check out the rep of the cue maker first.

And even if a one-piece is made from two pieces of ash glued together, it will still have more feel than cracking and creaking jointed cue with a brass hammer in the middle. A one-piece cue with one piece of ash with splices isn't a pure one-piece anyway; de facto! But it's still better for feel than a cue with a pool stick joint.

@markz, Ronnie could play with a broom handle, it doesn't mean a one-piece isn't better and a one-piece does offer more feedback and feel. MW recommends a one-piece. I have two identical cues, one with a plastic collar/brass thread joint. They play differently. That's a fact. If one-piece and jointed cues played the same, no-one would go to the hassle of buying and owning a one-piece.

I feel some deja vu here.

You'll be telling me next that no splices at all, just one long piece of ash will give the best "feel",

and fancy splicework and glue will just muddle the message the ash is sending to my brain ( i.e feel ) ?

[golferson123]

1 piece or 2 piece with 3/4 joint?

its allmost a copy and paste from master blaster mmmmm

[Chappy5]

its allmost a copy and paste from master blaster mmmmm

Took the words out of my mouth

I was not going to say anything though and let Admin/Mods sort it.

[jrc750]

Only one person on here has ever used the term "brass hammer"

[tetricky]

Do you know that most one piece cues are in fact made from two pieces of wood joined together and then spliced as a one piece with the join hidden under the splices, that feel from from one piece of timber is actually a false impression from the belief that you're using one whole piece of timber from tip to butt.
You very well could be, but you don't know for sure unless you have witnessed the making process of the cue you're using.

I do not concern myself too much with how a cue is made (because I can't see inside it, and I'm not cutting it open to check...if it feels okay, I'm happy with that), or what decoration is on the butt (mainly irrelevant for a player). I try to dissociate myself from my conscious thoughts about how 'good' a cue is, and instead focus on playing and how it feels. This is actually a bit harder than you might imagine...because 'liking' the cue, does seem to have a subconscious effect on how comfortable you are with it, and how much leeway you give it. What i mean by that is, for example, yesterday there were a couple of types of shot that i was consistently missing. For an ugly cue that you don't care about, it can be introduced to a table side chair, at speed, until it's a two piece....but for a cue you care about you tend to stick with it....

I collected a number of cues, both split and one piece, to try over time and settle on my preference. Almost unilaterally I prefer the one pieces to the split cues. Which isn't to say that split cues are worse, or that you can't play with them...but i definitely prefer the feel of a one piece....they seem to feel softer and more organic with a more direct but delicate feel.....for me, anyway.

All cues play differently. No two cues feel exactly the same....although it can be marginal, and not necessarily a question of better or worse. One pieces don't have a lump of brass in the middle, and the ones I have experience with feel a bit better balanced for that. On the whole, I prefer the feel of most one pieces, over most similar split cues. Maybe a one piece doesn't have a shaft extend beyond where a joint would be, but a split cue definitely doesn't, and it's connected to the butt with brass (or whatever), not wood. YMMV.

I've had a few decent players have a go with some of my one piece Butters cues. Unilaterally they've been very impressed with the feel. At around £100 for an unbadged, as long as the specs suit, I haven't come across anything that competes bang for buck.

[winphenom]

I concur with Vmax4steve and Ramon's views. There is no guarantee that your one piece cue is actually a one piece ash from ferrule to butt end. Furthermore, with the addition of weight and butt end drilling to fit extensions, it is already not a full piece ash that can let you 'feel' the shot.
With more and more pros and amateurs alike using 3/4 cues, it shouldn't be so much of a big difference between both makes of cues.

Just my thoughts and reasoning.