how to beat the luck factor?

[seppo147]

Try to play Snooker like professionals play,play wise snooker. More you play like idiot and play ball too hard many times you get very lucky. Also play like idiot and hit hard,balls go bad positions. Positive Snooker,please

[cantpotforshíte]

[QUOTE=nicklaus21;484595]

i always have bad luck in snooker,dun know y

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No you don't. No one person is more lucky than any other person in snooker.

Stop moaning, stop feeling sorry for yourself and get on with it.

If you feel sorry for yourself, you'll have no confidence, you won't be able to see the shots properly, and won't therefore be able to cue straight.

[perpetualboredom]

for beginners and amatuers or non professionals ,sometimes 2 players of the same level will face situations whereby one person who has bad luck lost the the other with better luck.such situations include

opponent
1) fluke snookers
2) fluked red and flukes position on color
3) fluked supposed fouls

you
4) when u try to snooker someone u end up giving free balls
5) u know its not going in off in that hole,but it went in others

u are giving points away and balls away all due to bad luck,i always have bad luck in snooker,dun know y


how to avoid such things from happening?

You can't control what your opponent does at the table, but the two things you mention that happen to you aren't bad luck at all, just poor play.

[the montrealer]

Hi in the long run it evens out however it seems that the better player usually gets the breaks

[damienlch]

not sure about the luck evening out when u are getting the short end of the stick... but i agree with the montrealer... it always seems the better or the more in form player has better luck... u often don't get a lucky break when u need it the most...

but i subscribe to the idea that a player tends to create his own "luck"... when u are playing well and therefore playing the correct shots, tendency is for good things to happen, including flukes... now does that make any sense?

[cantpotforshíte]

not sure about the luck evening out when u are getting the short end of the stick... but i agree with the montrealer... it always seems the better or the more in form player has better luck... u often don't get a lucky break when u need it the most...

but i subscribe to the idea that a player tends to create his own "luck"... when u are playing well and therefore playing the correct shots, tendency is for good things to happen, including flukes... now does that make any sense?

Almost, but not quite: The tendency is for good things to seem to happen, including flukes.
It's all about our own perceptions, when we play well, we are feeling positive and only see the positives in the game.
If we aren't playing well, the brain dwells on the negative aspects.
I still can't believe how many snooker commentators believe that the player that is playing well actually gets more luck.
If it's not included in the laws of mathematical probability, or in the laws of Newtonian mechanics, then I'm afraid it doesn't happen on the snooker table.
If any player is given to feeling sorry for himself in any situation, snooker related or not, then he will believe that he is being unlucky most of the time, and the opposite applies to players who are more sanguine.
Personally, if I see any player habitually bemoaning his or her luck, I make sure to preclude them from my social life too, as I have no time for self-pitiers.

[damienlch]

Almost, but not quite: The tendency is for good things to seem to happen, including flukes.
It's all about our own perceptions, when we play well, we are feeling positive and only see the positives in the game.
If we aren't playing well, the brain dwells on the negative aspects.
I still can't believe how many snooker commentators believe that the player that is playing well actually gets more luck.
If it's not included in the laws of mathematical probability, or in the laws of Newtonian mechanics, then I'm afraid it doesn't happen on the snooker table.
If any player is given to feeling sorry for himself in any situation, snooker related or not, then he will believe that he is being unlucky most of the time, and the opposite applies to players who are more sanguine.
Personally, if I see any player habitually bemoaning his or her luck, I make sure to preclude them from my social life too, as I have no time for self-pitiers.

good point you've made there, cantpotfor****e... talking about probability, perhaps it's the fact that the better player would have more time on the table, thereby increasing his good luck factor... and his bad luck factor, for e.g. going in off etc, would lessen due to his better positional play, better composure... so guys and gals, get better, get stronger and you'll probably get luckier....

[JayDee]

Just the style of low level players who tend to overhit shots, go for unnecessary power on shots end up having little cue ball control and when they miss; the object ball will hit a minimum of 4-5 cushions meaning chances for flukes are much higher than an average player.
But remember, the opposite is also true, the chances of him fouling and/or leaving you in a good position is higher than an average player.

Remember to play GOOD safety in this situation, this is the chaos players worst enemy. They then proceed to complain how bad they are playing when the 1/4 - 1/2 chances you leave don't go in and you haven't left him in the balls yet as many times as he has for you - as you are obviously the inferior player

[jonplayer]

People that winge about luck really wind me up. I hear it in league matches all the time. It does even out, its part of life and part of snooker. Just play the table and forget about how unlucky you are.

[AndyG]

There are some cracking answers on here! The fabled "run of the balls" is very often crucial to the outcome at the top level, but at the lower levels, you'll typically waste several chances to win a frame before you eventually lose it (on a bad day) or snatch the win (on a good day).

While you can't argue with the laws of probability which absolutely guarantee that luck will even itself out over the long term, there are still going to be occasions where luck favours one player on a given day. I once won a best of three against a far superior player, largely on the back of about six astonishing flukes. And if I'm honest, it actually became more and more embarrassing as each time I held my hand up to acknowledge them. It probably also helped me that he allowed my good fortune to unsettle his rhythm, where normally he would have just got on with the bread and butter of clearing up and winning regardless.

In general, I feel like I'm actually quite a lucky player, and I support this daring break from mathematical rigour by paying close attention to the many times my safety shots work out that bit better than I intended or the many times I don't leave a nice easy red following another overly optimistic long pot attempt. Always be aware of what you get away with and you'll feel less pain over any good ball-run your opponent gets.

[StevieB13147]

Gary Player the famous South African Golfer once said:

"The More I Practice The Luckier I Get!"

Stop whinging - get on the practice table and create your own luck.

[gettingbetter]

StevieB's quote is pretty good. Obviously with players of your (and my standard) can have such instances proving costly you have to remember it is just part of the game.

Remember how Thorburn's 147 started?

[vmax4steve]

Just the style of low level players who tend to overhit shots, go for unnecessary power on shots end up having little cue ball control and when they miss; the object ball will hit a minimum of 4-5 cushions meaning chances for flukes are much higher than an average player.
But remember, the opposite is also true, the chances of him fouling and/or leaving you in a good position is higher than an average player.

Remember to play GOOD safety in this situation, this is the chaos players worst enemy. They then proceed to complain how bad they are playing when the 1/4 - 1/2 chances you leave don't go in and you haven't left him in the balls yet as many times as he has for you - as you are obviously the inferior player

In a one frame league match giving forty start to one of these low level players, there is no comeback, for the tide of luck hasn't time to return.

[legod]

You can't 'beat the luck factor' because luck, by definition, is something that is out of your control.

I think part of being a good snooker player, is understanding the concept of 'percentage play' and probability. To be successful at this game, you have to take calculated risks. But you also have to understand that you have little control over what your opponent does at the table when he or she is in play.

Luck does not necessarily even itself out over time. The number of lucky shots a player has may well even itself out but the consequences resulting from those lucky shots don't because it all depends what's at stake at that point in time.

I've lost many a match against the 'sloggers' - ie. opponents who smash the balls around, don't play to the percentages, but are otherwise very good potters. However, by playing percentages, I've certainly won an awful lot more than I've lost. That's no consolation when losing a knockout game to one of these guys though, because that's the end of the road as far as the tournament is concerned. It's perhaps one reason why I prefer the longer matches because you can allow for the odd frame or two to be lost in this fashion.

I think everyone has a right to bemoan their lack of luck (or opponent's luck), but there comes a point when you must recognise it's part of the game, and part of life, it's beyond your control, and it's futile wasting energy on worrying about it. Instead, concentrate on things that are within your control, like straight cueing and good potting. Focusing on things that are out of your control (like what your opponent is doing) is only going to affect your concentration, relaxation and enjoyment of the game.

[cueman]

You basically need to work on your temperament if you are complaining about such luck.

The thing is you can't avoid it, it will happen against you time and time again, you just need to work on the fact that when you get your chances in a frame you take them. Sometimes it may feel as though the frame was never going to be yours, everything seems to go wrong, you have bad run, kicks, in-offs etc, your opponent flukes a ball or two, gets lucky snookers, nice nudges, you just have to forget the frame and move on to the next, then you start afresh and what has gone before is best forgotten.