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  • #76
    A lot of good info in for beginners in this thread.I have coped with this problem in my early years,bying a lot of books about snooker searching for some 'secret' info i felt i was excluded of.There isn't.If it doesn't feel good it is because it isn't.You are not cueing straight.Go practice cueing straight seriously now,youre eyes will adapt.It's hard work and there are no short cuts.If you don't have the discipline for this,accept youre level or quit.

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    • #77
      Originally Posted by vmax4steve View Post
      Hand and eye co-ordination is something that is innate to all human males due to evolution. We all have it, some better than others of course.

      You can have all the knowledge about snooker technique in the world but applying it will be out of reach unless you look at what you are trying to hit before you get down into your stance (it's this that puts the cue on the line of aim to start with) and again on the strike (It's this that keeps it there).

      The why's and wherefore's of this don't matter a damn and shouldn't even be thought about, knowing that it's true is enough, don't ever doubt it, do it all the time and you will be rewarded; but be warned it isn't easy if it doesn't come naturally and you may have to learn it by rote and if that's the case that will be extremely difficult to do.

      Fine tuning your snooker technique can only come once this is adhered to and potting becomes second nature.

      First learn to hit the ball, then learn the game, than get your head together (Peter Alliss)

      Vmax,, the best players in the world are usually fast players !!!! (without too much thinking). Believe it or not, these players play fast because they can do that and have these ability to do that. !!!! If you think by telling a club player ( who can'nt even consistent cueing and can'nt even make a break of 50 ),, Do'nt think to much, and he turns into ROS,. !!!! then you live in a fantasy world!!!!
      ROS made a 147 in just 5 minutes and 20 seconds.
      30 years ago Terry Griffiths needed at least 15 min time, just for one shot!!!!!
      You can'nt compare the way they playing snooker on this time with 30 years ago. and that goes for all other sports as well, not just snooker !!!!
      btw,, I'm agree with your statement about talent. Some have natural skilled and some, not, or less!!!!

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      • #78
        ramon I think you are slightly of track,being a fast player don't make you a good player and being slow don't make you a bad player.vmax just states the point of don't get too involved in what you are doing as you will just get in your own way.you cant make yourself a good player by focus alone you need to practice practice practice,there are so many different ways to play but they all have one thing in common, they repeat!.

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        • #79
          Originally Posted by Ramon View Post
          Vmax,, the best players in the world are usually fast players !!!! (without too much thinking). Believe it or not, these players play fast because they can do that and have these ability to do that. !!!! If you think by telling a club player ( who can'nt even consistent cueing and can'nt even make a break of 50 ),, Do'nt think to much, and he turns into ROS,. !!!! then you live in a fantasy world!!!!
          ROS made a 147 in just 5 minutes and 20 seconds.
          30 years ago Terry Griffiths needed at least 15 min time, just for one shot!!!!!
          You can'nt compare the way they playing snooker on this time with 30 years ago. and that goes for all other sports as well, not just snooker !!!!
          btw,, I'm agree with your statement about talent. Some have natural skilled and some, not, or less!!!!
          I think the biggest bollocks I ever heard was when someone said that snooker is chess with balls.
          Chess is all about thought, snooker is all about not thinking, just seeing and letting the subconscious mind free to do what it evolved to do.
          Don't think, just look and you will see and you will remember, and as golfperson says the cue action, the shots, and even the strategy will start to repeat and be executed better.

          If you have an affinity with the game and a real need to want to improve then you will with many, many hours, weeks, months, years of practise, but only when potting becomes second nature and you lose the fear of missing; then you can iron out those little flaws that you don't know you have with the help of a coach who has the ability to see them.

          I'm willing to bet my life Ramon that you simply don't look at the target even though you think that you do. It's the single most difficult thing to do in snooker because there are other variables contained within every shot that is played, and to take ones eye off the target and for a split second glance elsewhere both when sighting and executing the shot is so easy and almost impossible to be aware of.

          Why do you think the top players remove little bits of fluff and chalk that is in their field of vision ?
          They do it so that it doesn't catch their eye when they're trying to put the cue on the line of aim.

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          • #80
            Important to note that you should consistently sight the ball from when you are stood behind the white and OB.

            I see so many players do look at the shots side on pick out potting angles when stood in the wrong place or rush around the table side on and walk in on the wrong line or loose the line by hesitating or looking at the white or shifting focus as they get down before they are set -

            If you stand behind the white ball and OB you begin to pick out the potting angle more consistently - it obviously stands to reason you can also find this so called BOB or meat of the ball as I call it or maybe do as I do draw or imagine lines running through it.

            Then you can stare at this point on the OB or lines you have picked out running through it as you walk in or just step in and get down.

            If your technique is ok and you keep your eyes fixed on where you are sending the white until the point you are set in position on the shot you have more chance of keeping true to your line of aim on the shot naturally and getting there.

            Basically if you stand right and look directly at where you are going and keep your focus on this you have more chance of going down the right road to get there - keep your eyes focused on this path you are sending the white at the point it intersects the OB visualize the pot and you will have more chance of lining up naturally on the right path.
            Last edited by Byrom; 8 November 2014, 05:37 PM.

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            • #81
              Or to simply it into what I do now - don't think of anything - or try not to.

              Stand behind shot pick out the shot keeping focused on ball to OB to pocket as I get down into position to play shot - play shot - keep down and still for feedback get up and move on to next shot and repeat.

              If anything I focus on keeping a rhythm and staying still and driving through straight rather than any of this sighting nonsense which should ideally become a more natural thing if you follow the above guide or something like it and give it death on the practice table as the potting angles repeat themselves again and again you being to see it clearer the more you play.
              Last edited by Byrom; 8 November 2014, 05:38 PM.

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              • #82
                Originally Posted by vmax4steve View Post
                I think the biggest bollocks I ever heard was when someone said that snooker is chess with balls.
                Chess is all about thought, snooker is all about not thinking, just seeing and letting the subconscious mind free to do what it evolved to do.
                Don't think, just look and you will see and you will remember, and as golfperson says the cue action, the shots, and even the strategy will start to repeat and be executed better.

                If you have an affinity with the game and a real need to want to improve then you will with many, many hours, weeks, months, years of practise, but only when potting becomes second nature and you lose the fear of missing; then you can iron out those little flaws that you don't know you have with the help of a coach who has the ability to see them.
                I'm willing to bet my life Ramon that you simply don't look at the target even though you think that you do. It's the single most difficult thing to do in snooker because there are other variables contained within every shot that is played, and to take ones eye off the target and for a split second glance elsewhere both when sighting and executing the shot is so easy and almost impossible to be aware of.

                Why do you think the top players remove little bits of fluff and chalk that is in their field of vision ?
                They do it so that it doesn't catch their eye when they're trying to put the cue on the line of aim.
                Finally !!!!!!!

                lol,,, I love the way you look at the game. What amazes me is that you say things that i am already agree with !!!!!! No one said you do'nt have to look at the target.
                You can talk about mind, IF the technique of the player is is good enough and without mistakes !!!!!
                Yes,, if you compare someone like John Higgins and ROS. Then you can say that not much thinking and mind is more important then technique . Because they both have a perfect technique.
                I bet u have seen no one with such a beautiful cue action as S Lee !!!!!
                You only have to hit the CB just 1 mm next to the center. You push the red from his path towards the pocket and miss the shot. Whether you are looking at the target or not!!!! I do'nt have to tell you this. !!!!!!!
                99 percent of players are thinking that making a 147 (or even a century break) is easy. I tell you what,,, 98 percent of them is wrong and are liveing in a fantasy world!!

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                • #83
                  Originally Posted by golferson123 View Post
                  ramon I think you are slightly of track,being a fast player don't make you a good player and being slow don't make you a bad player.vmax just states the point of don't get too involved in what you are doing as you will just get in your own way.you cant make yourself a good player by focus alone you need to practice practice practice,there are so many different ways to play but they all have one thing in common, they repeat!.
                  Never said that,
                  I said : a good player can play fast!!! Those are two aperte stories and not the same thing !!!!!
                  Good post,,btw.

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                  • #84
                    Originally Posted by Ramon View Post
                    99 percent of players are thinking that making a 147 (or even a century break) is easy. I tell you what,,, 98 percent of them is wrong and are liveing in a fantasy world!!
                    i like to know which players think making a 147 is easy. i've never known one.

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                    • #85
                      Originally Posted by alabadi View Post
                      i like to know which players think making a 147 is easy. i've never known one.
                      me !!! I think if you go to the table and not think too much and just push the cue through. you can make a 147. You do'nt agree ?? !!

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                      • #86
                        Originally Posted by Ramon View Post
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                        I bet u have seen no one with such a beautiful cue action as S Lee !!!!!
                        You only have to hit the CB just 1 mm next to the center. You push the red from his path towards the pocket and miss the shot. Whether you are looking at the target or not!!!! I do'nt have to tell you this. !!!!!!!
                        Steven Lee is ermormously fat because he is a comfort eater with emotional issues that the public (and maybe even himself) are unaware of.
                        That mindset doesn't do him any favours for the relaxed mental concentration required to compete at the top level of pro snooker.
                        That mental concentration BTW is to do with keeping thought out of your mind when playing.

                        I watched Trump yesterday miss three simple blacks off their spots because he looked at the cannon he was making instead of the black, while his long potting was relentlessly accurate. That's what relaxed concentration means Ramon, the ability to not let your mind take your eyes off the target, to trust in your cue action, which only moves a maximum of twelve inches anyway. It shouldn't be difficult to fashion a straight cue action over six to twelve inches, but as we play this game with our eyes open, the subconscious hand/eye co-ordination that we evolved with rules us and it can't be overidden by the conscious mind in the game situation.

                        I told this to a friend recently who was going through a bad patch and he texted me yesterday saying it was amazing what you can pot when you look where you're supposed to look.

                        You hit what you're looking at and I've seen every player since the early seventies and every single one of them has been guilty many times of missing simple pots by taking their eye off the target.
                        It's a question of minimising this as much as you possibly can because your hand follows your eye.

                        BTW Ramon, you have more leeway that just 1mm, the tip of the cue is wider than that. Don't put such extremes of accuracy upon yourself, some of us play with side you know.

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                        • #87
                          Originally Posted by vmax4steve View Post
                          Steven Lee is ermormously fat because he is a comfort eater with emotional issues that the public (and maybe even himself) are unaware of.
                          That mindset doesn't do him any favours for the relaxed mental concentration required to compete at the top level of pro snooker.
                          That mental concentration BTW is to do with keeping thought out of your mind when playing.

                          I watched Trump yesterday miss three simple blacks off their spots because he looked at the cannon he was making instead of the black, while his long potting was relentlessly accurate. That's what relaxed concentration means Ramon, the ability to not let your mind take your eyes off the target, to trust in your cue action, which only moves a maximum of twelve inches anyway. It shouldn't be difficult to fashion a straight cue action over six to twelve inches, but as we play this game with our eyes open, the subconscious hand/eye co-ordination that we evolved with rules us and it can't be overidden by the conscious mind in the game situation.

                          I told this to a friend recently who was going through a bad patch and he texted me yesterday saying it was amazing what you can pot when you look where you're supposed to look.

                          You hit what you're looking at and I've seen every player since the early seventies and every single one of them has been guilty many times of missing simple pots by taking their eye off the target.
                          It's a question of minimising this as much as you possibly can because your hand follows your eye.

                          BTW Ramon, you have more leeway that just 1mm, the tip of the cue is wider than that. Don't put such extremes of accuracy upon yourself, some of us play with side you know.
                          You know mate, I am actually really starting to listen to you. What you are saying makes a lot of sense und you seem to have researched this subject in great depth. Been studying this clip and it looks like Ronnie is missing this easy pink because he is actually looking at the pocket at the moment of striking the cue ball.http://youtu.be/lwfyxQg5x3g

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                          • #88
                            Originally Posted by rimmer10 View Post
                            Been studying this clip and it looks like Ronnie is missing this easy pink because he is actually looking at the pocket at the moment of striking the cue ball.http://youtu.be/lwfyxQg5x3g
                            There was massive pressure out there. Who knows what really happened, it is hard to tell. But at least he shot that ball positively, not trying to slow roll it in negatively like many players would.

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                            • #89
                              Originally Posted by rimmer10 View Post
                              You know mate, I am actually really starting to listen to you. What you are saying makes a lot of sense und you seem to have researched this subject in great depth. Been studying this clip and it looks like Ronnie is missing this easy pink because he is actually looking at the pocket at the moment of striking the cue ball.http://youtu.be/lwfyxQg5x3g
                              No he's not, he's looking at the object ball untill well after the strike. Although I do agree with what Vmax says, I think you can miss because your mind wanders even if your eyes don't .
                              The pics below show eyes at the backswing and after the strike, no change of focus or visible head movement
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                              This is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
                              https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8

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                              • #90
                                Originally Posted by ace man View Post
                                There was massive pressure out there. Who knows what really happened, it is hard to tell. But at least he shot that ball positively, not trying to slow roll it in negatively like many players would.
                                He played the shot totally wrong, why force it in ???

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