Ball 'on' the cushion scenario

[Billy]

I always like to imagine rare snooker scenarios for which the rules aren't obvious (or even known to most) and today I came up with one. Ronnie played a red in his match against Williams, but hit it too hard and sent it flying off the table. Of course once it landed a foul was rightly called. But imagine this: In that a ball can jump up and onto a cushion, roll along the groove between wood and cloth and drop into (for instance) the centre pocket, and still be a legal shot, what would happen if the red jumped up and onto the cushion but didn't drop into the pocket and instead stayed sat on the cushion?

I'm only guessing here (be interesting to see if I'm right) but I imagine the red would be removed from the cushion and placed in a pocket (removed from the table, so to speak) and play then switches to the opponent, just as it would if the player had simply missed the pot.

What I'm trying to say is that I think the situation would be treated in exactly the same way as a missed pot would, the only difference being that the 'missed' red owuld have to be removed from the cushion and taken off the table, as it's not in a pottable position.

Correct?

[missneworleans]

Not sure its possible
I think that would be a foul and ball back on the spot...and what about if red flies on the cushion rolls and gets back on the table???

[Odrl]

It's fine if the ball goes into a pocket (as long as it's the ball on) or if it comes back on the table, but it can't stay on the cushion. That would be a foul. If it's a colour, it's spotted again, and if it's a red, it stays off the table. Unless the balls are replaced under the miss rule of course.

[missneworleans]

It's fine if the ball goes into a pocket (as long as it's the ball on) or if it comes back on the table, but it can't stay on the cushion. That would be a foul. If it's a colour, it's spotted again, and if it's a red, it stays off the table. Unless the balls are replaced under the miss rule of course.

Thats what I thought and how it is in pool
(btw I really saw all kind of sitiuations including ball left on the cushion)

[Billy]

... but it can't stay on the cushion. That would be a foul.

Really? It seems odd that the top of the cushion is deemed part of the 'playable' area, but only if the red/colour drops into a pocket. So if the red comes to rest on the top of the cushion, what foul has been committed? It hasn't left the table, when all said and done.

[RGCirencester]

14. Forced Off the Table
A ball is forced off the table if it comes to rest other than on the bed of the table or in a pocket, or if it is picked up by the striker, whilst it is in play except as provided for in Section 3 Rule 14(h).

Exactly as Odrl said.

[TheRowdyOne]

Really? It seems odd that the top of the cushion is deemed part of the 'playable' area, but only if the red/colour drops into a pocket. So if the red comes to rest on the top of the cushion, what foul has been committed? It hasn't left the table, when all said and done.

The cushion isnt deemed part of the 'playable' area, it's just not a foul because the ball drops into a pocket.The ball resting on the cusion isnt on the bed of the table and therefor a foul. The playable area is the bed of the table and as long as the ball either finishes/stops on the bed of the table or falls into a pocket, then the ball jumping from the table and onto the cusion isn't a foul.

If your after strange situations consider this. Red ball comes off the table hits the wall, then onto the fan, fan hits the ball off your oppenents head, oppenent get's knocked out, ball then comes off his head and back onto the bed of the table and into the pocket. Is this a foul? Or does it really matter because old mate is knocked out and can't call a foul on you anyway?

[magicman]

Funny, but something not remotely similar, but kind of, happened to a mate of mine who knocked a red off the table at ridiculous pace which hit a part of a pillar(which was to be fair to close to the table anyway) shot in the air and bounced back on the table. Made a hell of a noise, probably damaged the slate, but very memorable.

[The Statman]

The cushion isnt deemed part of the 'playable' area, it's just not a foul because the ball drops into a pocket.The ball resting on the cusion isnt on the bed of the table and therefor a foul. The playable area is the bed of the table and as long as the ball either finishes/stops on the bed of the table or falls into a pocket, then the ball jumping from the table and onto the cusion isn't a foul.

If your after strange situations consider this. Red ball comes off the table hits the wall, then onto the fan, fan hits the ball off your oppenents head, oppenent get's knocked out, ball then comes off his head and back onto the bed of the table and into the pocket. Is this a foul? Or does it really matter because old mate is knocked out and can't call a foul on you anyway?

That would be a foul for "Ball moved by other than striker". The referee would have to judge where it would have landed – which would almost certainly be the floor – if it hadn't hit an object unconnected with the game (i.e. the pillar; indeed, if not the pillar, then the opponent's head). Foul 4, red remains off the table.

[missneworleans]

That would be a foul for "Ball moved by other than striker". The referee would have to judge where it would have landed – which would almost certainly be the floor – if it hadn't hit an object unconnected with the game (i.e. the pillar; indeed, if not the pillar, then the opponent's head). Foul 4, red remains off the table.

Opponents head LOL
Good way to win the match though