cue arm&shoulder

[itsnoteasy]

Let us know how it goes, are you going for an hour,two, or more?,
To be fair to HSN, if your after better alignment you may as well try to get it perfect.

[tedisbill]

Truth is Ted ,you are so so nearly in the right position any way, it is minor tweaks in your stance(from my point of view) and your coach will fix this in seconds, if that's what you ask him to do. You won't find it uncomfortable or get sore, I don't understand where that comes from, so I wouldn't fret over it, and when you knock in that clearance let us know, best of luck.

I agree mate. That's all I ever wanted to be honest. I was never talking about this "perfect alignment", I was just saying that my shoulders were quite square on the shot, which was unusual. It was hsn that moved it all in the direction of "perfect alignment". All I ever said was that I wanted to look "more conventional" on the shot, because that can't be a bad thing.

I'll see how the coaching goes on Friday.

[itsnoteasy]

Truth is Ted ,you are so so nearly in the right position any way, it is minor tweaks in your stance(from my point of view) and your coach will fix this in seconds, if that's what you ask him to do. You won't find it uncomfortable or get sore, I don't understand where that comes from, so I wouldn't fret over it, and when you knock in that clearance let us know, best of luck.

[tedisbill]

I don't mean to come across like an arse when I say you can have 60-70 without many difficult shots, but it's just how it is really. Snooker is massively about positional play.

Joe Davis "snooker is a game of simple shots played to perfection."

[guernseygooner]

Still no one has told me that if it is the 'secret' to consistent snooker, why don't all the pros adopt this approach?

ROS, Hendry, Reardon - 19 world titles without elbow being on line.

[tedisbill]

I think HSN is right, I believe the less moving parts the less can go wrong, also if you are inline you don't have other forces trying to pull your cue offline, but if I was knocking in regular seventies would I think it's this that's holding me back? Probably not, as to get to that standard my cue must be coming through online and straight, I would be looking for the reasons I brake down, if one of the main reasons was cueing across the line, fair enough, but I would be surprised if it was, as how could you cue well up to sixty or seventy, then cue across it.( not once in a while everyone will cue badly on occasion)

Well, you can make 60-70 in the balls without having a particularly brilliant cue action. If your shot choice is good and you stay in close range, you've never got many tricky pots anyway.

If you want to get to regular 100 break standard, you'll probably need to fetch balls off cushions and sacrifice pin point position on the next ball, which would then require superior cueing.

[itsnoteasy]

I think HSN is right, I believe the less moving parts the less can go wrong, also if you are inline you don't have other forces trying to pull your cue offline, but if I was knocking in regular seventies would I think it's this that's holding me back? Probably not, as to get to that standard my cue must be coming through online and straight, I would be looking for the reasons I brake down, if one of the main reasons was cueing across the line, fair enough, but I would be surprised if it was, as how could you cue well up to sixty or seventy, then cue across it.( not once in a while everyone will cue badly on occasion)

[tedisbill]

What I wanted to achieve was............. To improve my snooker.

[alabadi]

I ve been reading this thread with interest, some good points from, hsn, Coach Gavin, Terry, J6Uk, itsnoteasy and others. I've not really looked at my shoulder elbow alignment too seriously but maybe I will to see if there is anything in it.

what I can say I am struggling again for reasons that I can't put my finger on. I seem to have this massive discrepancy between practice and actual frame play. I come away from practice thinking everything is going well only to be knocked back in a game. its something I am in need to sort out because its effecting my confidence on shots that should be bread and butter.

with regards to Ted I wasn't sure either what he wanted to achieve by getting his shoulder behind his head, I'd swap with whatever his setup is any day, if he's making 50s, 60s and 70s that's great I haven't made a 50 yet and its been over a year since I got my 48.

i'll have to look at my alignment again because I have changed my grip and I have a sneaky suspicion it might have had an effect on other things

[j6uk]

HSN just stick a video up describing what your doing, for those that can't get it, sometimes it's easier to get something if you see it.

i agree, it would be good to see how your going about things hsn

[itsnoteasy]

HSN just stick a video up describing what your doing, for those that can't get it, sometimes it's easier to get something if you see it.

[tomlimcj]

question: if everything is in line, but when waggling, the lower arm does not move in line, thus the cue will be pull off line...won't that mean the stance needs to change such that the drawback and delivery is in line/on the line instead?

[malc999uk]

Your shoulder should also be aligned because when you follow through it also comes into play. If it's not aligned your upper arm also doesn't align with the cue and the elbow. Thus when you follow through and your shoulder drops it can pull the cue offline.

OK understood and thanks for your tips on this thread. I had some table time last night and tried tweaking various aspects of my stance, and, for me anyway (I'm a right hqnded player), the most important thing seems to be to ensure that the arch of my right foot is on the LOA and angled about 45 degrees to the right of the LOA. My left leg is then placed forward and parallel to the LOA, my backside swings out more noticeably and low and behold its easier to get my shoulder behind my head and on the LOA. I still dont have perfect alignment everytime I get down on the shot, but progress is definitly being made and I did notice an improvement in my long potting in particular last night.

[hsn]

Are you trying to do the perfect alignment? If not my stance is not for you. If still interested please send me three photos of yourself with the cue in the address position. One from directly in front of the cue the other from behind your stance showing your feet and the tip of your elbow and the third from the side of your cue arm showing your side pose. Only then I'll be able to help better.

I am having problem with my stance too. Can send me your stance CAD dimension ? yeocherwei@yahoo.com

Thanks

[jasonyeo]

Hi Ted pleased to see that you haven't quit it yet. I have read many comments here that if you'll listen to they will lead you no where.

Looking at your stance it seems like you're still obsessed with the Allen Fisher one.
You are facing away from the line of the cue at an angle of 60 degrees. Let me tell you that the squarer you'll stand the more you'll have to twist and contort yourself to achieve the perfect alignment. If you'd like to feel a bit more comfortable please face away further from the cue at an angle of 45 degrees. Twist your hips but don't overdo it to the point where you are uncomfortable and out of balance.
Your right leg is good enough, I suggest you move your left foot forward a bit and keep your balance point between your feet.
Experiment with putting your right foot a bit left and then a bit right.
The way you are after it, I see no reason that you won't make it within a week.
Keep it up buddy. If you want any further assistance I'd be happy to help. A photo from directly behind your stance will be needed in that case. I can even send you my stance CAD dimensions if you are still struggling.
Keep it up buddy l wish you good luck.

I am having problem with my stance too. Can send me your stance CAD dimension ? yeocherwei@yahoo.com

Thanks