Free Ball (rules&questions)

[reverse_side]

"I'd say you were right ranen; you've hit the ball you nominated and only reds score multiple points; mainly because they can't be 're-spotted'."

You mean angled?

No, I was explaining why you were right about your answer concerning potting both pink and black with an FB taken on the pink.

[RaNeN]

Oh I thought it was to one of the Cases in the thread. The BLACK in not respotted?

[RaNeN]

oh sorry, i actually meant to say.That at that time when we have a FB on the the pink.We can just try to fluke one of the balls (black/pink)??? cant we. Any ball potted gets us points??? right?

[reverse_side]

quick silver bullet.... the black comes up for the query you posted about 'accidentally' potting both the pink&black when you're rolling up behind the FB Black.

Angled was concerning the rule that you're not snookered if a cushion gest in the way.

end of.

there's another unusual case of a set of situations causing an FB NOT to be called; but maybe that'll be too complicated.

[RaNeN]

FB not to be called when you are angled right?

[reverse_side]

that's what I was gonna look up; haven't done so yet, but I would be 92.87324827% sure. Maybe even 92.87324828%.

[RaNeN]

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Statman]

Actually foul 4, not foul 7

Further to earlier answers, the very helpful reply that pasted the rule in red, made a little slip up!

Cases 1 and 2 of the original question would be only a foul 4, not 7.

The value of the ball on (red=4) or value of ball struck (red=4), NOT value of black, because the black 'became' a red for the purposes of value.

[thonnar]

my 2 cents

I am allways interested in seeing some strang behaviour on the snooker table.

So when the miss rule is being discussed about, I allways enjoy to learn something new...

I am not an official referee, but here's my 2 cents anyway...

When you are angled, after a foul of your opponent the cushion does not count as if it would be another ball snookering the ball on. This means that when thinking the cushion away, you would be able to hit the ball on in a straight line, hence you will not be awarded a free ball after a foul of your opponent.

It is also possible to just flick of a free ball, land on the cushion, make the cue ball angled and if the taken free ball is not in the way of the ball on (again thinking the cushion away) this would be an allowed shot to make.

When you take a colour, lets say blask as a free ball (=an extra red), I do not think you get a penalty at all when hitting another red first, as the black was actually being another red on the table and there is nothing that says that you need to hit the red you are aiming at first. you can miscue and actually hit another red first without any penalty whatsoever.



And now a question of my own...

Your opponent plays a shot that leaves you as follows: White in the corner pocket and black is touching the white. Next ball on is a red. But it is impossible to hit the red. Normally, according to standard rules you need to aim in a straight line to red, for a miss not to be called. But here you cannot do that as you are touching black. But when hitting away from the black and so also away from the red, you should be awarded a miss...

Can anyone explain a bit more about this?
Also state if I am correct in saying that whenever you are in an impossible snooker, the only way not to get a miss would be to hit in a straight line to the ball on and so hitting another ball and giving away the points of the ball hit...

Interesting to see some replies here

[elvaago]

It's a miss if you don't seem to intend to hit the red ball. So you'd have to play the white ball at such a pace that you are 'guaranteed' the best chance of hitting the red, without trying to play it safe. So if you play the white against the opposite short cushion to nestle very gently against the red, and you miss. It's a foul and a miss. But if you send it flying across the table, you're obviously committing to hittnig the red ball, and then you're less likely to get a miss called on you.

[thonnar]

But what if you cannot get out of the pocket. The snookering black prevents you to get out of the pocket and the only way to not hit the TOUCHING black, would be to aim away from it and such away from the red and this can be considered as not trying to hit the red

[elvaago]

If it's utterly impossible to hit the red, you have to hit the white hard enough that it would at least reach the red with enough speed to move it.

[thonnar]

But then you'd hit a ball that is touching you!!!

[elvaago]

Then I give up. The Statman might know?

[thonnar]

Hope he does...

Statman, please work your magic!!!