Machine Spliced vs Hand Spliced

[Ramon]

Sigh.... you asked a question, I've answered, and you've acknowledged the only point I made, that some cues throw more than others. I didn't say that you can always tell which cue throws more when comparing two cues, because a lot of cues play quite similarly.

But what really hurts my feelings Raymo, is that you had to wrap your acknowledgement in yet another repetition of the whole "You only think it throws less because someone told you it's a low deflection cue." line. And by doing that, you assume that I'm unaware of the placebo effect or the power of suggestion in advertising, and you are presuming to know how I think. In any debate or discussion that will usually lose the respect of the other party. In fact you already had lost my respect in a previous thread when you contradicted me about De Roo laminated shafts. When I pointed out that in fact you were wrong, you went quiet and didn't bother to apologize for incorrectly contradicting me. In spite of this, I replied to your recent question politely.

In fact I am very well qualified in science which means that critical thinking is in my blood. You will never see me pulling imagined statistics like '9 out of 10' or '99.99%' out of my rectum to support an argument.

Cues can differ in terms of deflection (you've acknowledged this). I assert again that they can differ so much that it is noticeable, and less deflection can be a benefit. Your comments not only assume that I'm a poor player but that Steve Davis, Dominic Dale, Peter Ebdon, and some of the best pool players in Australia are idiots too, because they have all had positive things to say about synthetic ferrules. Sorry, but I'm willing to accept that there may be some truth to what they say before I'll swallow the view of someone who has repeatedly demonstrated poor cognition.

Well ,, this is a Nice story !! but what you say about LM shafts and different kinds of ferrule is just the biggest crap I've ever heard !! I play with a Laminated shaft cue ( is my playing cue )and I have played for years with MW cue (black spin ). you do'nt have to tell me about that !!! ! the main cause of throw or deflection, is the poor technique of the player! brother !! Not the ferrule !!!! there are two kinds of people who think like you : 1- 20 break makers players who remain 20 break-makers for the rest of their lives and their game will never improve - 2 - people who trying to sell their products. to be honest, I think you're both of them !!!
Anyway ,,, I wish you luck with selling whatever you are selling ( is nothing wrong with that ).
And do not hesitate to keep inform us further about new developments in science !and your feelings !! I do enjoy of your stories !!

[strobbekoen]

Agree with you on that.

Sigh.... you asked a question, I've answered, and you've acknowledged the only point I made, that some cues throw more than others. I didn't say that you can always tell which cue throws more when comparing two cues, because a lot of cues play quite similarly.

But what really hurts my feelings Raymo, is that you had to wrap your acknowledgement in yet another repetition of the whole "You only think it throws less because someone told you it's a low deflection cue." line. And by doing that, you assume that I'm unaware of the placebo effect or the power of suggestion in advertising, and you are presuming to know how I think. In any debate or discussion that will usually lose the respect of the other party. In fact you already had lost my respect in a previous thread when you contradicted me about De Roo laminated shafts. When I pointed out that in fact you were wrong, you went quiet and didn't bother to apologize for incorrectly contradicting me. In spite of this, I replied to your recent question politely.

In fact I am very well qualified in science which means that critical thinking is in my blood. You will never see me pulling imagined statistics like '9 out of 10' or '99.99%' out of my rectum to support an argument.

Cues can differ in terms of deflection (you've acknowledged this). I assert again that they can differ so much that it is noticeable, and less deflection can be a benefit. Your comments not only assume that I'm a poor player but that Steve Davis, Dominic Dale, Peter Ebdon, and some of the best pool players in Australia are idiots too, because they have all had positive things to say about synthetic ferrules. Sorry, but I'm willing to accept that there may be some truth to what they say before I'll swallow the view of someone who has repeatedly demonstrated poor cognition.

[Tim65]

Excuse my ignorance but what is "throw"?

[golferson123]

Machine Spliced vs Hand Spliced

do a search

[mythman69]

Excuse my ignorance but what is "throw"?

It is when you hit the ball and it does this:

[sberry]

I wonder why people only noticed this in the internet age when fibre ferrules and steve davises have been around for over half a century

[sanman]

I see the issue of throw has popped its head again. I will say it again. The single biggest factor contributing to throw is friction(between cueball and cuetip). The more the friction the less the throw. The effect of a few grams on the cue tip is so negligible on the throw its not even worth considering. Good technique( the longer the tip stays in contact with the cueball the less the throw) I am not going to enter into arguments with anyone but if anyone disagrees with me try playing without chalk and you will see the point I am trying to make.

[eaoin11]

I wonder why people only noticed this in the internet age when fibre ferrules and steve davises have been around for over half a century

The materials available have probably improved, particularly in terms of durability.

[sberry]

no. see the post above yours

materials have certainly improved in sellability as has the size and availability of the market and it's gullibility

go into any snooker hall and see how many people playing can and do properly use side, if they can't win a frame in one visit they can't - that's most of them

[old school]

If you type in " cue ball deflection " in your search engine you will find quite a few articles on this subject , including an article by the Kamui company which explains the physics . There are also a number of articles by 9 ball players , where deflection is referred to as " squirt " . Its an interesting subject , but once you know how much your cue " throws " you just adapt . I personally believe that short ( even 3/16 " , 4.5 mm to our metric friends ) ferrules can reduce end mass and lead to less throw / deflection by ensuring the tip is in contact with the cue ball for a longer period of time, consequently a lot of my playing cues have short ferrules . There are a series of Bob Meucci lectures which include an article on this subject as well .Hope this helps.

[sberry]

so, you think that by shaving a couple of mils off a small bit of brass (or fibre) that is superglued tight to the end of a 18oz lump of wood and has a variable lump of leather superglued to that will affect end mass and lead to less deflection?

what about cue weight, or tip weight or size or even the weight of the player, how about atmospheric conditions?

there are some cracking wind ups on this thread, top effort all round, unlucky to those who aren't joking

[j6uk]

could we put low deflection cue down to a nice piece of wood thats been cut and constructed well ?

[golferson123]

so, you think that by shaving a couple of mils off a small bit of brass (or fibre) that is superglued tight to the end of a 18oz lump of wood and has a variable lump of leather superglued to that will affect end mass and lead to less deflection?

what about cue weight, or tip weight or size or even the weight of the player, how about atmospheric conditions?

there are some cracking wind ups on this thread, top effort all round, unlucky to those who aren't joking

you don't agree with it that's fine but that don't make others wrong and nobody insults your opinion. why you think that others are stupid because they don't bend to your belief is very high handed

[golferson123]

could we put low deflection cue down to a nice piece of wood thats been cut and constructed well ?

ive said it all along the cue has to have the inherent quality to be a good cue and that's in the wood

[sberry]

okay, i'm sorry, let's go all new labour and say nobody is wrong and everybody is right, well done all

i'm not saying anybody is stupid, just that some very stupid things are being said (and some things are stupid not being said)

some people also have motives for what they are saying and no problem with confusing people, that's wrong

at the end of the day all that really matters is what you believe as in this instance you cannot prove that something doesn't happen if it cannot be proved in the first place - just like ghosts and gods and all