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  • #31
    Originally Posted by focus View Post
    More codswallop. Yeah, deflection is a huge issue in cue sports. Just look at Ronnie, the greatest player of the toughest cue sport there is. He can't sleep for worrying about deflection from his brass ferruled Parris. If Ronnie can turn down maximums with a traditional cue the only issue in cuesports is how crap US pool players are for not being bright enough to work it out themselves on the table. If ronnie can accomodate throw over 12ft into small pockets, you monkeys should be able to manage it into your huge bags. As VMax says, US pool is so easy, it shouldn't be an issue at all. Hang on, you're head is above the cue and the cue butt is high in the air. Maybe that's why you can't handle side, because you all have dreadful technique? If I played like that I'd be missing shots with side as well because I'd be swerving the ball. Numpties. Try cueing properly as Snooker players do, with your chin on the cue and the cue as parallel to the table as possible and you will notice a huge difference in the use of every spin. These monkeys haven't got a Scoobie.
    Lol. Have you finished? Good.

    Now go back and read it again, including this bit "CB deflection is a huge issue in cue sports, just not snooker".

    Is ronnie a snooker player, squawky?

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    • #32
      Originally Posted by Hello, Mr Big Shot View Post
      But deflection is a big deal in american pool. It is not as easy as just "working out your cue".
      Actually it is as easy as working out your cue, but only if you have a good solid technique that produces a stroke that can be relied upon.
      Most US pool players have a stand up stance, don't get down on the shot, are probably using peripheral vision sighting and put the shoulder and wrist into the stroke very, very often.

      With cue actions like these it's no wonder they buy into anything that will make it seem like they're cueing straight, but that's the nature of the tables they play on, with such large margins for error you don't need to pot so accurately, so you can then focus more on positional play.

      And your belief in bigger heavier balls meaning more deflection is simply rubbish; a table tennis ball is about the same size as an english 8 ball cue ball, but put one on a pool or snooker table and hit it with side and see where it goes.

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      • #33
        Originally Posted by vmax4steve View Post
        Actually it is as easy as working out your cue, but only if you have a good solid technique that produces a stroke that can be relied upon.
        Most US pool players have a stand up stance, don't get down on the shot, are probably using peripheral vision sighting and put the shoulder and wrist into the stroke very, very often.

        With cue actions like these it's no wonder they buy into anything that will make it seem like they're cueing straight, but that's the nature of the tables they play on, with such large margins for error you don't need to pot so accurately, so you can then focus more on positional play.

        And your belief in bigger heavier balls meaning more deflection is simply rubbish; a table tennis ball is about the same size as an english 8 ball cue ball, but put one on a pool or snooker table and hit it with side and see where it goes.
        Good Post!^

        Once again, Ctrl C has been found out for the snooker player he isn't. You see them on videos, pumping the shot with the biceps, triceps, deltoids and any other muscle they can use. No contact on the chin or chest, just wrong, wrong, wrong. Reality, they can't cue straight in either plane. And then we wup their asses in the Mosconi at a sport we don't play much on these shores. They never learn.

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        • #34
          Originally Posted by vmax4steve View Post
          Actually it is as easy as working out your cue, but only if you have a good solid technique that produces a stroke that can be relied upon.
          Most US pool players have a stand up stance, don't get down on the shot, are probably using peripheral vision sighting and put the shoulder and wrist into the stroke very, very often.

          With cue actions like these it's no wonder they buy into anything that will make it seem like they're cueing straight, but that's the nature of the tables they play on, with such large margins for error you don't need to pot so accurately, so you can then focus more on positional play.

          And your belief in bigger heavier balls meaning more deflection is simply rubbish; a table tennis ball is about the same size as an english 8 ball cue ball, but put one on a pool or snooker table and hit it with side and see where it goes.
          You're either trolling or wholly ignorant. If you don't want to study this, fine, but leave the drivel to Bluster, eh.

          Deflection doesn't care what stroke someone has. The vast majority of American pool pros are not american, and have fantastic fundamentals. American pool cues deflect a LOT.

          I meant heavier balls necessitates heavier cues, with more end mass, and therefore more deflection. You are also conflating deflection with squirt - you need to learn the difference if you are going to really understand this one. It's one of the rare occasions in the (non snooker) cue sports world where the terminology is imprecise and confusing: squirt relates to the effect of impact on the CB and deflection relates to the effect on the cue.

          There is nothing gimmicky about LD shafts for American pool. There will come a time when everyone has one and players will look back at non LD players of the past with bemusement and incredulity. Generally, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages imo, and, provided manufacturers can develop them to have a more satisfying hit, there's no reason to play with a cue that doesn't send the white exactly where you're aiming it. You should also bear in mind spin is a much bigger factor in pool, and very difficult to control. The three factors to playing with side spin - deflection (more properly squirt), swerve and throw - all present their own challenges, so eliminating one variable helps tremendously. I am simply lost on a pool table without one.

          Think as a new player, not an experienced one. Trust me, in 20 years time there will be no clamour to go back to playing with cues that push a cue ball 6inches away from where you're aiming.

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          • #35
            Originally Posted by focus View Post
            Good Post!^

            Once again, Ctrl C has been found out for the snooker player he isn't. You see them on videos, pumping the shot with the biceps, triceps, deltoids and any other muscle they can use. No contact on the chin or chest, just wrong, wrong, wrong. Reality, they can't cue straight in either plane. And then we wup their asses in the Mosconi at a sport we don't play much on these shores. They never learn.
            Lol. You'll never hear me defending american players for their technique. The concept is rather amusing to me, actually.

            There does seem confusion here, though. Rather like snooker in this country, pool is fading from popularity in the states. The monsters come from Asia and Europe, and have solid technique.

            Svb is the only american who can live with those guys, although Bergman and skyler are promising young players who may go on to be competitive.

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            • #36
              Originally Posted by Hello, Mr Big Shot View Post
              Lol. You'll never hear me defending american players for their technique. The concept is rather amusing to me, actually.

              There does seem confusion here, though. Rather like snooker in this country, pool is fading from popularity in the states. The monsters come from Asia and Europe, and have solid technique.

              Svb is the only american who can live with those guys, although Bergman and skyler are promising young players who may go on to be competitive.
              Wow, one point for your first post (first post that makes a proper point).

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