Parris Cues

[cueman]

It is a myth that JP gives professionals cues. He has offered to make replica cues for some players down the years, those that have had success but to suggest that any pro can just ask for a cue and JP will give them one for free is total fallacy.

[ADR147]

It is a myth that JP gives professionals cues. He has offered to make replica cues for some players down the years, those that have had success but to suggest that any pro can just ask for a cue and JP will give them one for free is total fallacy.

i am sorry but for 100% sure he has given pros cues that have then given them to me to sell on their behalf.

[poolqjunkie]

Is it fair to say that if the pro does not like the cue--even if it is free--then he would not use it?

[cueman]

Is it fair to say that if the pro does not like the cue--even if it is free--then he would not use it?

Absolutely and JP knows this so why would he go to lengths to make cues up for players only for them to give them away for someone to sell on.

Not saying that it hasn't happened in the distant past but JP doesn't need to enhance his reputation, he's already well known. Bit different back in the 80's and 90's where it would make business sense to try and get a few pro's using his cues but when the world number 1 and world champion is using your cue I don't think you need any higher endorsement for the quality of your product.

[Stretch147]

i am sorry but for 100% sure he has given pros cues that have then given them to me to sell on their behalf.

This doesn't surprise me.. It makes good sense for him to give a pro a free que. He makes his money from people who spend over the odds just to have the same cue as let's say Ronnie. Didn't Ronnie actually give JP a plug after his 06' world championship exit to Dott. He gave his cue to a kid in the crowd and then in the press conference said that he needs a new one from John Parris! Ha Ha.. the journalist actually thought he meant John Parrot. lol

[Watford]

Marketing is constant and I think Parris will still want as many pros to own the cues as pos. I think there's still incentive to give away cues.
I don't think there's anything bad in it but certainly this has mislead people. How many times do people on here state 'so and so uses a Parris' before one of us sad cue geeks put's them right.

Ronnie and Steve D do plug him quite a bit but Steve went back to his old cue (I know John fixed it for him) and Ronnie liked his Parris so much he gave it away!

[Stretch147]

...Ronnie liked his Parris so much he gave it away!

lol... wasn't that after he had jp change the tip like a hundred times!!
He sure made certain the kid was getting quality!!!

[cueman]

Marketing is constant and I think Parris will still want as many pros to own the cues as pos. I think there's still incentive to give away cues.
I don't think there's anything bad in it but certainly this has mislead people. How many times do people on here state 'so and so uses a Parris' before one of us sad cue geeks put's them right.

Ronnie and Steve D do plug him quite a bit but Steve went back to his old cue (I know John fixed it for him) and Ronnie liked his Parris so much he gave it away!

Ronnie tbf did go straight back to JP for another though so its not exactly proving anything that he gave his other one away other than a nice gesture. Steve did use a few JP cues for a while when he was trying to regain his form back around the turn of the century and again helped Steve out with numerous alterations and pool cues so naturally he'll give him a mention when the subject is raised.

As for numbers of players using his cues, interestingly just looking at the provisional top 32 list, no fewer than 9-10 players use Parris cues, maybe a few questions about what Dale is currently using but that is higher than any other individual cue maker which however way you look at it is impressive and speaks for itself. Just because Parris claimed that 8 out of 10 players used his cues people still bring this up but it was probably true at one point so why shouldn't he use that as a marketing tool? I'm sure any of you with a business would 'big up' your reputation if it meant increasing your sales potential.

[ADR147]

Ronnie tbf did go straight back to JP for another though so its not exactly proving anything that he gave his other one away other than a nice gesture. Steve did use a few JP cues for a while when he was trying to regain his form back around the turn of the century and again helped Steve out with numerous alterations and pool cues so naturally he'll give him a mention when the subject is raised.

As for numbers of players using his cues, interestingly just looking at the provisional top 32 list, no fewer than 9-10 players use Parris cues, maybe a few questions about what Dale is currently using but that is higher than any other individual cue maker which however way you look at it is impressive and speaks for itself. Just because Parris claimed that 8 out of 10 players used his cues people still bring this up but it was probably true at one point so why shouldn't he use that as a marketing tool? I'm sure any of you with a business would 'big up' your reputation if it meant increasing your sales potential.

dale is using a hunt obyrne - but could be something different next week - name the 10 for me please.

[noel]

Please, please... can't someone beat this dead cue thread with the horse's mouth... call John. Ask.

Or if he's hiding in here somewhere... "John, come out with your hands up!".

... else it's all just fanciful hearsay and conjecture...


=o)


Noel

[Watford]

Call John ask what????
Who the top 32 are who use his cues. It would take too long to clarify we mean currently using from owning, having worked on or having looked at. That's assuming John knows himself.
There isn't a national register for cue over here. If there was Dominic Dale would have filled it.

Hearsay and conjecture!!!!
Dead thread?
This is banter you must not have this in Canada.
Nice try though!

[cueman]

dale is using a hunt obyrne - but could be something different next week - name the 10 for me please.

Well I did include Dale in that list because his last title came with a JP but like you say you can never be sure with him and as he doesn't always qualify for the TV stages you can only assume that he does use the JP cue frequently enough to qualify him as a genuine user.

Anyway the 10 based on provisional rankings are - Ronnie, Maguire, Allen, Hawkins, Williams (unconfirmed but was mentioned at the time of his cue change), Walden, Dale (as already mentioned), O'Brien, Bond, Lee.

Of course I'm sure someone will disagree but as its near impossible to accurately know as players do change frequently. Either way its still a guaranteed 8 which is still well above any other individual cue maker.
As the last poster mentioned though, the thread is becoming a bit tedious now.

[noel]

There isn't a national register for cue over here. If there was Dominic Dale would have filled it.

HaHaHa that's funny mate ... however, if Parris doesn't have a registry of what he made and sold I would be shocked. Wooldridge, White, Hunt, etc, as well!

Hearsay and conjecture!!!!
Dead thread?
This is banter you must not have this in Canada.
Nice try though!

Thanks, Watford... ya, I am confused with all the comments about how good or not JPs are or who is using JPs or other... and it's just not from the horse's mouth.
And if John himself doesn't put out that info... maybe we should get all the top 32 together for a photo shoot.
Ostensibly.
Then we could get them to stand and deliver their cues for inspection and each give us a brief personal history of their own tools.
Collectors and others would be fascinated... right, Mike and Andrew?

=o)

Noel

[poolqjunkie]

I heard that ROS had a half jointed cue made by JP because he wanted to ride his motorcycle to his tournaments, then gave it away. He then had also a 3/4 jointed one, which he also gave away (is that the one he gave to the kid?)--but he seemed to be happy with the one piece.

If ROS does not like his JP, I am sure there will be someone else more than willing to get his endorsement.

A cue is a means for a pro to earn a living, it is very important. I cannot imagine a pro using a cue unless he likes it.

It would be a different story if the cue the pro uses is different from the one the public will get. I am not sure what the situation is with JP.

[Watford]

ROS 2 piece was bought buy ADR147, I was after it myself.

I'm sure John would give a pro a choice of cues made to the desired spec. That certainly happened with ROS.

And I don't think anybody is really claiming that Parris cues are no good. It's just some of us feel they are overpriced and you see the odd dud because they make lots of cues now.

Officially Ronnie endorses BCE and we all no how good they are!

Dominic Dale certainly has used Parris in the past but I think played his best with one of the Trevor Whites he had.
Maguire owns both Parris and Trevor White not sure what he uses. Could be the Parris.
I thought Williams had a Parris, He asked Trevor about a cue and Trev forgot to get back to him. So he got a Parris!

Alright I'm also up for leaving this too!
Hate long threads!