PTC Grand Final-Discussion

[robertmac]

Hawkins played well and beat some tough opponents and its
nice to see him win this. It was a tournament of upsets and
now we head into China which will hopefully bring on some
excellent matchups.

[DeanH]

PTC Grand Final-Discussion

the draw is all set see
http://livescores.worldsnookerdata.com/SessionList/Tournament/13679
interesting that Burden, Bingham and Harold have walkers, the opponents couldn't be bothered the travel?
I thought Drago needs a good run to stay on tour?

[culraven]

Ironic really... a player who scrapped into this week thanks to Bingham goes on to win it! Gerrard Green had some good wins against very good all round players so fair play to him, maybe didn't deserve a whitewash... but on the flip side i didn't see him play one visit snooker in the matches i seen...

I watched him against Hamilton on Thursday night, he just slowed the game right down and took his chances well, but didn't look capable of reaching the final. Reminded me of Ebdon.

[luke-h]

I watched him against Hamilton on Thursday night, he just slowed the game right down and took his chances well, but didn't look capable of reaching the final. Reminded me of Ebdon.

He is exactly that a journey man pro and this was probably his only final he will ever see. nice to see bazza win, good all round player

[daffie]

I feel your pain. OK, well played Barry but, all over in an hour. Where's the fun in that?

Maybe they should try something different for this final, but without actually messing with the game itself. How about they play for a fixed amount of time, say 3 hours, then divide the prize money up by the percentage of points scored, so Player A gets 70% of the total points scored and 70% of the winnings, as well as the title of course. At least then the audience know they're going to get an evenings snooker for their money, which must be good, revenue wise. You could have a big swingometer showing which player was in the lead, and.....

Well, all right, maybe a bit mad that one. But c'mon BH, give us something to get our teeth into, just for the final, please.

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Hmm...that's not such a bad idea really. As you say at least then we get a chance of an evening's worth of snooker. This best of 7 business is just a bit of child's play really. Nice bit if dough if you come through in the end though

[cyberheater]

Well done Barry. You played a very solid match. Greene had his chances but failed to capitalise and lacked his earlier form. His safeties also were poor giving Barry too many chances.

[PatBlock]

Hmm...that's not such a bad idea really. As you say at least then we get a chance of an evening's worth of snooker. This best of 7 business is just a bit of child's play really. Nice bit if dough if you come through in the end though

It's a decent purse isn't it, but the occasion just doesn't seem to reflect that, or live up to it. I really don't see why they have to stick so rigidly to that 7 frame format for the final.

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[DeanH]

yep the purse is the big carrot to get players to attend the PTCs through the year
this all may start changing, like next season "no PTCs in the UK" etc.

[sberry]

In two months time the rankings will be on prize money which means in just this week Gerard has moved up from just inside the top 64 to just inside the top 32 - if it was still being done on points, he would have moved from 66 to 60

Once the new season starts and the rolling two year money list begins, player's rankings will yo-yo lots

[PatBlock]

yep the purse is the big carrot to get players to attend the PTCs through the year
this all may start changing, like next season "no PTCs in the UK" etc.

That's true and it's another black mark on Mr Hearns's copy-book for me.

Looking at next season's calender, we seem to be a few ETs down by November compared to this season. If so, they're not just moving them elsewhere, but completely removing them from the tour. Is BH pulling back a little from his initial tough-guy stance?

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[sberry]

Also, after earlier this season when it was the first major final contested by players from China, it's worth pointing out this was the first major final contested by players from Kent, maybe Barry should take note...

[cyberheater]

In two months time the rankings will be on prize money which means in just this week Gerard has moved up from just inside the top 64 to just inside the top 32 - if it was still being done on points, he would have moved from 66 to 60

Once the new season starts and the rolling two year money list begins, player's rankings will yo-yo lots

Yes. There's going to be a lot of winners and losers. I'm looking forward to seeing the revised new listing compared to the old.

I wonder how the maths works out. It could be that you only need to reach the quarter finals a few times in select tournaments to keep in the top 16.
One things for sure. If you're not prepared to travel. You might as well quit being a professional.

[Odrl]

Yes. There's going to be a lot of winners and losers. I'm looking forward to seeing the revised new listing compared to the old.

I wonder how the maths works out. It could be that you only need to reach the quarter finals a few times in select tournaments to keep in the top 16.

I think the opposite is true, actually. One big paycheck, like the 150k you get for winning the UK for example, is now going to be worth five semi-finals or seven quarter-finals in the same tournament. Whereas under the current points system, you get more with consistently decent runs than you get with a combination of titles and early exits. :wink:

[cyberheater]

I think the opposite is true, actually. One big paycheck, like the 150k you get for winning the UK for example, is now going to be worth five semi-finals or seven quarter-finals in the same tournament.

Yes but it's unlikely that a player who is only a 32 ranked player is likely to win a major title.

Whereas under the current points system, you get more with consistently decent runs than you get with a combination of titles and early exits. :wink:

I think that point is agreeing with me.

[sberry]

Gerard is ranked outside the top 64 but he was just a best of 7 game away from winning a major, against somebody who had only won a single major before...

Point I was making is with one good result a player will make a massive move up the ranking whereas before they would not and on the other side, players who have had a lean season or so, no names mentioned, can lose a third of their rolling total overnight, if for example they bomb out of a tournament early they won two years ago for over 100k - which would mean a big drop.

On the plus side, it won't affect when they enter a tournament, interesting times ahead