What's actually happening when you go "unconscious" ?

[itsnoteasy]

So the greatest player to ever pick up a cue can get position on the black fifteen times in a row form random places on the table, (if the reds are in different places every break the white must be as well) but is incapable of getting from that black onto a red? Honestly!. Also I'm not sure about this but on a 147 it must be harder to play into areas, as you must get back on the black, it's not like a normal break where you can play for two or three reds and if you come up short say, play one in the middle and go up for the blue, it's end of 147 if you play like that. I'll leave it at that, I obviously see things different, and I'm more than likely wrong, but I will stick to what I believe, and look out for Ronnie one day saying, nah I was only joking in that interview, of course I'm good enough to pick out a red to play on, but I will just check with the doctor to see if I should
Maybe I'm too old to believe in all this new stuff, In my day it was bio-rhythms , oh you lost because your bio-rhythms were all wrong(what ever happened to them) just people looking for something to blame rather than themselves, I'm more of a ,you had a bad day at the office, suck it up and grow a pair, No excuses ,go and practice and be better next time, believer , (probably classed as a dinosaur nowadays) .

[j6uk]

So the greatest player to ever pick up a cue can get position on the black fifteen times in a row form random places on the table, (if the reds are in different places every break the white must be as well) but is incapable of getting from that black onto a red? Honestly!. i feel an awakening coming Also I'm not sure about this i know but on a 147 it must be harder to play into areas, as you must get back on the black, it's not like a normal break where you can play for two or three reds and if you come up short say, play one in the middle and go up for the blue, it's end of 147 if you play like that. I'll leave it at that, I obviously see things different, and I'm more than likely wrong, but I will stick to what I believe, and look out for Ronnie one day saying, nah I was only joking in that interview, of course I'm good enough to pick out a red to play on, but I will just check with the doctor to see if I should
Maybe I'm too old to believe in all this new stuff, In my day it was bio-rhythms , oh you lost because your bio-rhythms were all wrong(what ever happened to them) just people looking for something to blame rather than themselves, I'm more of a ,you had a bad day at the office, suck it up and grow a pair, No excuses ,go and practice and be better next time, believer , (probably classed as a dinosaur nowadays) .

we're all learning

[itsnoteasy]

I feel quite crest fallen that the best player to ever live can't play from a black to a red.

[itsnoteasy]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8imFvfn6Y
Could someone good tell me how many times Ronnie plays into areas on this break and how many times he plays on single reds, cheers.

[j6uk]

i counted 10 single reds. but there was a few that he had a back up plan with.. could stick up all his maxes and we could have a field day looking for purely single red position

[itsnoteasy]

Cheers J6, thanks for tanking the time to go through it, much appreciated.

[tedisbill]

What about the other hundred of thousands of professional frames Ronnie has played when he didn't have a max?

At the start of frames when the balls are congested, you play in areas of the table that give you the biggest choice and room for error. Almost all of the time, this means that you don't end up making maximum breaks.

[Smeeagain]

Maybe I'm too old to believe in all this new stuff, In my day it was bio-rhythms , oh you lost because your bio-rhythms were all wrong(what ever happened to them) just people looking for something to blame rather than themselves, I'm more of a ,you had a bad day at the office, suck it up and grow a pair, No excuses ,go and practice and be better next time, believer , (probably classed as a dinosaur nowadays) .[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call you as dinosaur at all. In any sport there can be no substitute for hours and hours and hours of repetitive practice. But ...... there is also room for research and learning and development. Do we think for example in physical sports - say running to take ROS's favourite pastime - that runners have got faster because they practice? Their predecessors practiced too. The difference is that the current generation has the benefit of the research and knows hows how to practice better. Thats where the doctors and all that stuff comes in - its about better application of the practice. Not less practice or more practice or anything like that, just better practice. Call it more effective practice if you like.
Steve Davis said in a recent interview that he would spend hour upon hour upon hour knocking a ball up and down the spots to ensure he was cueing correctly. And of course it did him no harm. But he also went on to say later, in the same interview, that he wouldn't advise a youngster taking up the sport nowadays to spend so many hours doing that one exercise as he felt there were better ways of learning (which he didn't expand upon)

[itsnoteasy]

What about the other hundred of thousands of professional frames Ronnie has played when he didn't have a max?

At the start of frames when the balls are congested, you play in areas of the table that give you the biggest choice and room for error. Almost all of the time, this means that you don't end up making maximum breaks.

Eh? I think you need to read back, the whole point of this was ,he said in his interview HE CANT PLAY ON SINGLE REDS, HE TRIED IN PRACTICE BUT KEPT RUNNING OUT OF POSITION AND HAD TO PLAY RECOVERY SHOTS, all I said was I don't believe what he said in that interview , and found it hard that a lot of people believed him when he said it and gave the maximum breaks as an example of his ability to play onto single balls, it was never ever stated that he didn't play into areas on other breaks, or even when on a max ,I used the maximum break as it doesn't give as much room for error, as you have to have the ability to play onto one colour, which to me proves he can play onto single balls, J6 was also kind enough to go through the footage and tell me of the fifteen reds he potted in that break ,ten of them he played as single ball positional shots, but of course if you believe what he said in the interview that can not be correct.I also said I was only on about maximum breaks, not any other break.

[itsnoteasy]

Maybe I'm too old to believe in all this new stuff, In my day it was bio-rhythms , oh you lost because your bio-rhythms were all wrong(what ever happened to them) just people looking for something to blame rather than themselves, I'm more of a ,you had a bad day at the office, suck it up and grow a pair, No excuses ,go and practice and be better next time, believer , (probably classed as a dinosaur nowadays) .

I wouldn't call you as dinosaur at all. In any sport there can be no substitute for hours and hours and hours of repetitive practice. But ...... there is also room for research and learning and development. Do we think for example in physical sports - say running to take ROS's favourite pastime - that runners have got faster because they practice? Their predecessors practiced too. The difference is that the current generation has the benefit of the research and knows hows how to practice better. Thats where the doctors and all that stuff comes in - its about better application of the practice. Not less practice or more practice or anything like that, just better practice. Call it more effective practice if you like.
Steve Davis said in a recent interview that he would spend hour upon hour upon hour knocking a ball up and down the spots to ensure he was cueing correctly. And of course it did him no harm. But he also went on to say later, in the same interview, that he wouldn't advise a youngster taking up the sport nowadays to spend so many hours doing that one exercise as he felt there were better ways of learning (which he didn't expand upon)[/QUOTE]

I have absolutely no argument with this at all, again what I don't agree with is the way the doctor that tried to help Ronnie was feted as a kind of guru that had turned this wreck of a man into some kind of snooker god, as if Ronnie had nothing to do with it, you have to remember Ronnie was a genius with a cue long before this man came along, I just asked why his methods are the new best thing when Ronnie was winning, but not one question was asked as to why the same methods failed him so miserably when he needed them the most, to me this is when a practice or method proves itself, not when everything is going great, but when the chips are down and you have to pull something out, that's the proof of the pudding, the defeat was laid squarely on Ronnie's shoulders and I feel that was unfair that his guru wasn't asked to explain himself, I don't believe this doctor is saying anything new, it's all old stuff rehashed for today, there is nothing groundbreaking in what he says or does(from the limited information I have, ).

[tedisbill]

Eh? I think you need to read back, the whole point of this was ,he said in his interview HE CANT PLAY ON SINGLE REDS, HE TRIED IN PRACTICE BUT KEPT RUNNING OUT OF POSITION AND HAD TO PLAY RECOVERY SHOTS, all I said was I don't believe what he said in that interview , and found it hard that a lot of people believed him when he said it and gave the maximum breaks as an example of his ability to play onto single balls, it was never ever stated that he didn't play into areas on other breaks, or even when on a max ,I used the maximum break as it doesn't give as much room for error, as you have to have the ability to play onto one colour, which to me proves he can play onto single balls, J6 was also kind enough to go through the footage and tell me of the fifteen reds he potted in that break ,ten of them he played as single ball positional shots, but of course if you believe what he said in the interview that can not be correct.I also said I was only on about maximum breaks, not any other break.

Yeah I'd read everything that you'd talked about. I've read the whole thread.

[j6uk]

Cheers J6, thanks for tanking the time to go through it, much appreciated.

you welcome, it was nothing, i had it on ff.. but i hope you understand that in many ways a max is a lot easier positionally than most other total clearances.. you do know that right?

[j6uk]

Maybe I'm too old to believe in all this new stuff, In my day it was bio-rhythms , oh you lost because your bio-rhythms were all wrong(what ever happened to them) just people looking for something to blame rather than themselves, I'm more of a ,you had a bad day at the office, suck it up and grow a pair, No excuses ,go and practice and be better next time, believer , (probably classed as a dinosaur nowadays) your never too old
I wouldn't call you as dinosaur at all. In any sport there can be no substitute for hours and hours and hours of repetitive practice. But ...... there is also room for research and learning and development. Do we think for example in physical sports - say running to take ROS's favourite pastime - that runners have got faster because they practice? Their predecessors practiced too. The difference is that the current generation has the benefit of the research and knows hows how to practice better. Thats where the doctors and all that stuff comes in - its about better application of the practice. Not less practice or more practice or anything like that, just better practice. Call it more effective practice if you like.
Steve Davis said in a recent interview that he would spend hour upon hour upon hour knocking a ball up and down the spots to ensure he was cueing correctly. And of course it did him no harm. But he also went on to say later, in the same interview, that he wouldn't advise a youngster taking up the sport nowadays to spend so many hours doing that one exercise as he felt there were better ways of learning (which he didn't expand upon)

most of my sparing friends when i was a lad were hundred break makers in there 70s so i know where your coming from in many ways fella

[itsnoteasy]

J6 it's nothing to do with what break is easier or harder ,it was about wether Ronnie was telling the truth about not being good enough to play position on a single ball, but I think it's time to call it a day, I still believe Ronnie was joking when he said he couldn't play on single balls, and I still don't think his doctor did much if anything to help him when he needed him most,and got away without any spotlight being placed on his methods, but I see I'm in a minority of one, so I will lick my wounds and accept that.

[j6uk]

J6 it's nothing to do with what break is easier or harder ,it was about wether Ronnie was telling the truth about not being good enough to play position on a single ball, but I think it's time to call it a day, I still believe Ronnie was joking when he said he couldn't play on single balls, and I still don't think his doctor did much if anything to help him when he needed him most,and got away without any spotlight being placed on his methods, but I see I'm in a minority of one, so I will lick my wounds and accept that.

no. the day that you wanna call here to do with break building, don't exist. sorry man but ron was just chatting, yes he can play for a single red for many frames, if the balls fall that way. you know like make a neat little 50 or total clearance. but listen if you can't see what we're saying it mean a few things. one main one is that you haven't and your not planning to do the work in the future as to how this game works as far as break building goes